All purpose news and politics thread part VI: This Is Not The Time For Posing

[Username taken]

As others have mentioned earlier, when you see the conservative response to the issues you can see why the dems have stopped trying to appeal to them.

As Pwrdon has pointed out, the democracts have run two very clearly centrists candidates and yet it's still the same nonsense. They'd much rather believe in lies than even begin to engage in any meaningful discussion (the only conservative on this board that makes any sort of sense is Mister Mets but he's clearly the exception and not the rule).

[Spidey5640]

And what's wrong with providing health care to those that need it. I mean hell, any one here who is not an indigenous American is an immigrant, since were not from here. Should we not be healthy?



And again, why is that bad? You need to eliminate oil and coal as our world is on fire. 117 degrees in SanFran. Canada's losing its ice. Ocean levels are rising. Cutting back on this is a good thing.



Again, why is this bad? Japan has been living for years without swords, why do we have to live with insane guns. Who really needs an AK 15.



Prior to Reagan Corporate and individuals did just fine with their higher tax rates. And we need a raise on minimum wages as people who don't go into college may be taking care of their families on that. Hell rent has been driven up by speculation. How do you expect people to afford things if they are not being paid right.



Regulations are not ruling. Regulations actually benefit people.

You obviously believe the government regulation trumps individual freedom and the basis that our country provides equal opportunity, not success. You're welcome to believe that.

[Spidey5640]

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/cardi-b...elle-magazine/

In yet another hard interview, this time by Cardi B, Joe promises free college. No doubt all the colleges will lower tuition now so it should be pretty cheap for taxpayers.

[Tami]

You obviously believe the government regulation trumps individual freedom and the basis that our country provides equal opportunity, not success. You're welcome to believe that.

What do you believe? What do you believe a government should do?

[Kirby101]

What do you believe? What do you believe a government should do?

I know! To crush your enemies, to see them driven before you, and to hear the lamentations of their women

[Kirby101]

Was it ever in doubt? Other than Mets has a single con ever appeared on these boards that didn't end up shouting about that kind of crap?

Most eventually got themselves banned.

[worstblogever]

Could you please provide me examples of Dem run cities that have provided adequate police protection to their population during these riots?

How about... ALL OF THEM?

That was easy.

[GindyPosts]

And what other nuggets of wisdom did you learn from Faux News in addition to all that nonsense?

Uh... something something WWG1WGA?

[The Cool Thatguy]

Could you please provide me examples of Dem run cities that have provided adequate police protection to their population during these riots? I'll wait... Maybe include those that provide school choice to their poorest people to help them get out of poverty as well...

You know that school choice actually doesn't help much, right?

https://www.americanprogress.org/iss...-civil-rights/

Crazy thought, maybe all schools should be funded equally by the state, instead of localities?

[Spidey5640]

What do you believe? What do you believe a government should do?

I believe the government should protect all the people of the country through a strong national defense, secure borders. We are a nation of laws and I believe in equal application of those laws, it's not right for the government to let those who violate laws to do so just because they agree with the violators political views. I believe they should enact policies and laws that provide equal opportunity for all people, regardless of class, color creed or condition. If someone is wrongfully denied said opportunity based on any of these, the government should hold those responsible accountable, not implement broad based programs mandating quotas. I believe it is dependent on the individuals to be responsible for their own success, not the government. The government should have permanent safety nets in place for those who cannot provide for themselves based on physical, mental factors and temporary safety nets in place for those who may need it due to loss of job or severe medical condition. I believe they should tax at a fair rate for all individuals and not demonize or punish success. I believe a good education is the basis for all success and as such, people should be allowed to use the tax dollars they pay and send their children to go to a school of their choosing. I believe a good job is better than any government program in ensuring success, access to quality healthcare, a good education and as such, the government should implement common sense regulations, taxes and trade deals that support PRIVATE industry. I believe the nation should be energy independent and right now that does mean fracking and oil even as we move to cleaner tech. I don't believe in the use of government funds for abortion as it is a violation of many taxpayers religious beliefs. I don't believe in government run healthcare as it stifles innovation and reduces quality of care that a private competitive system provides for. The government has no business telling any religious organization they have to pay for health care that goes against their beliefs, nor does it have the right to force individuals to pay simply because they chose NOT to have healthcare.

Do we as nation do all of these things? I think we can agree (WHAT!!??) that we do not. But in my mind that doesn't mean we need more and bigger government, or more programs that apply to only certain groups or give unfair advantage to them, or excuse their actions. We need to enforce the laws we have on the books and remove obstacles to opportunity rather than legislate "success". We need to trust in our people to live their own lives and be responsible for themselves rather than having the government tell us we shouldn't be drinking a Big Gulp. The government didn't build the greatest (but by no means perfect) nation in the world, the PEOPLE did.

Tami, thanks for asking...

[Spidey5640]

You know that school choice actually doesn't help much, right?

https://www.americanprogress.org/iss...-civil-rights/

Crazy thought, maybe all schools should be funded equally by the state, instead of localities?

Then why be afraid of school choice? Crazy thought...maybe competition would make for a better product...

[GindyPosts]

Well there you have it, even though the Democrats went out of their way to run a candidate who promised to do exactly none of those things, they're still getting accused of being dirty cultural Marxist SJWs anyway, and I'm sure this is pretty indicative of how most right-leaning voters feel regardless of what facts they're presented with. So the real question is, if the opposition is going to accuse the party of being radical activists anyway, why not actually just be that and maybe help some people in the process?

And that's the thing that gets me. The Democrats purposefully (in my opinion) wanted the most corporate-friendly, moderate candidate there was, in a primary that had a socialist and a holistic believer. As far as I know, Biden ain't going to get rid of religious practices, likely isn't going to even expand the Affordable Care Act (so forget about a Medicare For All plan), and the pick of Kamala Harris all but secures law enforcement staying the way it is in America. Yet, Republicans, particularly reactionaries, will always accuse Democrats of being "the radical left" in spite of pushing forth candidates that don't want to upset the apple cart.

So, if that's the game Republicans wanna play, the Democrats might as well push actual socialists and give them someone to complain about.

[Spidey5640]

How about... ALL OF THEM?

That was easy.

Well...I think people in Portand, Chicago, Philadelphia, Minneapolis, NYC, Seattle just might have a different view..

Now THAT was easy!

[The Cool Thatguy]

Then why be afraid of school choice? Crazy thought...maybe competition would make for a better product...

Because it takes money away from already struggling schools? Because it's a system that's easy to cheat.

Competition is not a cure for everything, ya know.

Explain to me why all schools in a state shouldn't be equally funded.

[The Cool Thatguy]

Well...I think people in Portand, Chicago, Philadelphia, Minneapolis, NYC, Seattle just might have a different view..

Now THAT was easy!

Portland got a lot more peaceful when the storm troops disappeared.