All purpose news and politics thread part VI: This Is Not The Time For Posing

[Iron Maiden]

Except you're blaming everyone except Bernie. He's allowed to make mistakes, this is one of them.



As I thought, there is nothing substantial to argue against what I said.

Sometimes I wish this were like some forums that don't allow GIFs. They have their place but are quite annoying and juvenile IMO in serious discussions.

[BeastieRunner]

Sometimes I wish this were like some forums that don't allow GIFs. They have their place but are quite annoying and juvenile IMO in serious discussions.

Sorry ... I just couldn't resist.

[Mister Mets]

It's a bit rich to call AOC divisive when they've been giving platforms to freaking Republicans, eh? And if the fate of the country really does hang in the balance here, trotting out these crusty old public functionaries is hardly going to inspire the kind of turnout that the party will need. At least put someone out there who can pretend like this campaign is actually about something.

I forget which pundit said this but one thing to keep in mind is that the DNC is not a celebration of Democrats/ the left. It is essentially an infomercial for voters who need to be persuaded.

[Tami]

I forget which pundit said this but one thing to keep in mind is that the DNC is not a celebration of Democrats/ the left. It is essentially an informer ail for voters who need to be persuaded.

I partially agree. I think it is a celebration of what makes the Democratic Party the Democratic Party, and a celebration of the country, but it's also an infomercial to get voters of all stripes, Dems, Republicans, Independents, to vote and to vote Democrat.

I'm okay with that.

[PwrdOn]

I partially agree. I think it is a celebration of what makes the Democratic Party the Democratic Party, and a celebration of the country, but it's also an infomercial to get voters of all stripes, Dems, Republicans, Independents, to vote and to vote Democrat.

I'm okay with that.

Election after election, Democrats keep chasing that moderate Republican swing voter and are disappointed every time when, shocker, they decide that rather than vote for GOP-lite they may as well just go for the real thing. If the party thinks that spotlighting John Kasich over AOC is going to win them votes then they're truly delusional.

[WestPhillyPunisher]

Election after election, Democrats keep chasing that moderate Republican swing voter and are disappointed every time when, shocker, they decide that rather than vote for GOP-lite they may as well just go for the real thing. If the party thinks that spotlighting John Kasich over AOC is going to win them votes then they're truly delusional.

The same can be said about Donald Trump and his hamfisted attempts to attract African-American votes, making him even more delusional, given his history of racism.

[Tami]

Election after election, Democrats keep chasing that moderate Republican swing voter and are disappointed every time when, shocker, they decide that rather than vote for GOP-lite they may as well just go for the real thing. If the party thinks that spotlighting John Kasich over AOC is going to win them votes then they're truly delusional.

They pretty much have the Democratic vote in the bag, there is nothing wrong with reaching out to the disillusioned and the fence-sitters. Even if a small number of them vote and vote Democratic it could change the election results by a wide margin.

In order to force a peaceful transition, Biden not only has to win, but he has to win big. Big enough to ensure no EC hijinxs, big enough so that Trump can't claim rigged election or demand a recount or pull some other trick.

[shooshoomanjoe]

Election after election, Democrats keep chasing that moderate Republican swing voter and are disappointed every time when, shocker, they decide that rather than vote for GOP-lite they may as well just go for the real thing. If the party thinks that spotlighting John Kasich over AOC is going to win them votes then they're truly delusional.

Dems did great during the midterms.

[Gray Lensman]

Dems did great during the midterms.

It isn't moderate Republicans they are chasing, but independent swing voters. Those people who aren't aligned with either party and often decide elections. If they get some disaffected Republicans too, so much the better, but they aren't the primary focus.

[Striderblack01]

I don't like how Bernie's responsibilities as a politician are waved away here. Obama didn't leave those positions open, Bernie did. Not everyone gets what they want in politics, including Obama. It was that or nothing, Bernie chose nothing. That's on him.

True.

It's a political process that failed.
I think that's on everybody that participated - not just Bernie.

I think that's on everybody that participated - not just Bernie.

not just Bernie.

Except you're blaming everyone except Bernie. He's allowed to make mistakes, this is one of them.

As I thought, there is nothing substantial to argue against what I said.

If I don't reply to something, or take it seriously, it's because:

1. It's not of interest or import to me
2. I have no faith in the conversation

In this instance, I have no faith in the conversation.

[worstblogever]

Sometimes I wish this were like some forums that don't allow GIFs. They have their place but are quite annoying and juvenile IMO in serious discussions.

Eh, sometimes it's nice to have a goof. Be it political cartoon or gif.

Speaking of things it's nice to have... Steve Bannon just got indicted for fraud by federal prosecutors.

[The Cool Thatguy]

Eh, sometimes it's nice to have a goof. Be it political cartoon or gif.

Speaking of things it's nice to have... Steve Bannon just got indicted for fraud by federal prosecutors.

Wow, that's some good news to start the day

[Tami]

Eh, sometimes it's nice to have a goof. Be it political cartoon or gif.

Speaking of things it's nice to have... Steve Bannon just got indicted for fraud by federal prosecutors.

Some more good news ... won't be great news until Trump's taxes are released.

Judge throws out Trump's effort to block subpoena for financial records

A federal judge on Thursday dismissed a lawsuit from President Trump that sought to block Manhattan District Attorney Cy Vance's subpoena for his financial records.

Why it matters: The Supreme Court ruled last month that presidents are not immune from investigation, denying Trump the sweeping grant of presidential power he had asked for. The court gave Vance the right to access records from Trump's financial institutions as part of a criminal investigation, but sent the case back down to the lower courts so that Trump's lawyers could continue to fight the subpoena.

Between the lines: In a disclosure earlier this month, the DA suggested for the first time that it's investigating Trump and his company for "alleged bank and insurance fraud."

The filing pointed to media reports about "possibly extensive and protracted criminal conduct at the Trump Organization" to support Vance's argument about the legitimacy of the subpoena.
Previously, Vance was only thought to be investigating hush money payments that Trump made to women he allegedly had affairs with through his former personal attorney Michael Cohen.

What's next: Trump's lawyers will appeal the ruling, according to Bloomberg.

[worstblogever]

By January, Trump cronies could be getting perp walks in enough droves that the early theme for 2021 might be a certain Bob Seger song from Beverly Hills Cop 2...

[4saken1]

Election after election, Democrats keep chasing that moderate Republican swing voter and are disappointed every time when, shocker, they decide that rather than vote for GOP-lite they may as well just go for the real thing. If the party thinks that spotlighting John Kasich over AOC is going to win them votes then they're truly delusional.

The U.S. Remained Center-Right, Ideologically, in 2019

Slight plurality of Americans in 2019 identified as conservative (37%)
Moderates nearly as high, at 35%, while 24% were liberal

If Democrats tried to get ONLY the votes of the 24% of the country that considers themselves liberal, they wouldn't win many national elections.