All purpose news and politics thread part VI: This Is Not The Time For Posing

[babyblob]

I will never understand people like you.

What do you mean? Not trying to start a fight I just dont know what you mean by people like me?

[Joker]

Sorry, that's a shitty term. I mean gay conservatives. or basically any conservative that isn't straight, white, and middle-upperclass. I will never understand aligning with a political party that hates you.

I will also never understand how you hate Trump now, let alone ever didn't, yet are struggling with voting him out of office.

[KNIGHT OF THE LAKE]

I will never understand people like you.

I’ll make it simple for you... they fundamentally don’t agree with you, so they don’t want to vote for your guys even if they hate their guy. There’s a much lower bar for Trump for them because all he needs is to he useful to what they want 1% of the time while also not doing any of the Democrat policies they don’t like, while they have to stomach a Democrat pushing for things they hate in exchange for Trump not doing things they hate.

It’s why this mythical moderate Republican unicorn strategy never works

[babyblob]

Sorry, that's a shitty term. I mean gay conservatives. or basically any conservative that isn't straight, white, and middle-upperclass. I will never understand aligning with a political party that hates you.

I will also never understand how you hate Trump now, let alone ever didn't, yet are struggling with voting him out of office.

Im not struggling with voting him out of office. I am going to vote for Biden Harris. I just have a problem with some of their polices. There will never be a perfect candidate. I get that. There are just things I dont agree with that the Dems want. There are things with the Republicans I dont want. I would say I am in the middle but lean more towards conservative n some things.

[Joker]

Suck it up, because that's politics. I can deal with some policies I don't adore, when the alternative is where we are now.

Make America Great Again. America is literally worse off in every way imaginable since Trump got elected, and you're worried about some policies you don't like? I just cannot understand that even being a thing anyone is thinking about anymore.

I don't say any of this to be shitty to you, so please don't take it that way. I just cannot understand where some people's heads and priorities are these days.

For what it's worth, I do appreciate your openness in this thread, and while I don't understand it, I appreciate your perspective and willingness to discuss it.

[Kirby101]

Im not struggling with voting him out of office. I am going to vote for Biden Harris. I just have a problem with some of their polices. There will never be a perfect candidate. I get that. There are just things I dont agree with that the Dems want. There are things with the Republicans I dont want. I would say I am in the middle but lean more towards conservative n some things.

What things specifically that the Dems want to do don't you like?

[The Cool Thatguy]

What things specifically that the Dems want to do don't you like?

Probably to make billionaires pay more taxes than you and I

[Tendrin]

Steve Bannon getting indicted is the best news I've had all week.

[babyblob]

What things specifically that the Dems want to do don't you like?

I dont agree with open boarders, defunding the police (which is odd for a man who spent 4 years in prison to say), I dont agree with sanctuary cities, I dont agree with medicare for all. (At least the way I understand it. I will explain how it was explained to me and if I am wrong please let me know) The way it is explained to me is that my father and I would have to give up our private insurance to go on medicare. My dad is disabled, I have a mental health disorder. it took me awhile to find insurance that works for us. And it is good. I researched medicare as we are both on social security we are eligible for it. And our medicines would cost ore, the doctors and specialists my dad sees do not accept medicare. The mental health facitilty I go to does not accept medicare. So my dad and i would have to give up insurance that works for us and keeps him alive for insurance that would be worse.

If We can keep our insurance and do medicare for all, like medicare for those who cant afford health insurance etc.. I would be fine with that. Or if his doctors and meds would be the same I medicare I am fine with that.

[babyblob]

Probably to make billionaires pay more taxes than you and I

Im not rich so I have no problem with this. But thank you for your unfounded assumption.

[Joker]

If We can keep our insurance and do medicare for all, like medicare for those who cant afford health insurance etc.. I would be fine with that. Or if his doctors and meds would be the same I medicare I am fine with that.

That's exactly what it is. It doesn't take away other insurance. Unless you have a very specific program that for some reason would go away. Medicare for all is about getting health insurance to people who cannot afford private health insurance.

Do you understand how defunding the police works? Do you get the point, and how it's done? It doesn't mean no police.

[Tami]

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[Iron Maiden]

Of course they aren't. They're Democrats.

Let's just put it simply... do you want hundreds of thousands of preventable deaths a year to be prevented?

Vote Biden/Harris.

Because Trump, who you hate anyway... does not care. He's incapable of it. For the past six months, we've averaged about a 9/11 twice a week.

That's it. That's my simple pitch. This isn't a logic trap. That's the whole thing. Do you want something more than rampant death?

I'd like to think you do.

And there is no third option. The choice is very simple IMO if you're aware of the damage Trump has done to this country, our long standing relationships with Canada and the European Union and our democracy. And then there's all the removals of protections on our treasures....our National Parks system,etc.

[babyblob]

That's exactly what it is. It doesn't take away other insurance. Unless you have a very specific program that for some reason would go away. Medicare for all is about getting health insurance to people who cannot afford private health insurance.

Do you understand how defunding the police works? Do you get the point, and how it's done? It doesn't mean no police.

Thank you for explain that to me.

yes I understand how defunding the police department works. But cutting a massive amount of funding from police like they have done in La and New York and shutting down police units is not the answer. Social programs are fine. But social programs will not work for every criminal or person. I was in prison for four years with very bad people. people social programs would not help. We need prisons, we need police. We dont need to cut the police off at the knees and make it impossible for them to do their jobs.

That said we do need police reform. Spend more police funding on training, proper training, not just training on how to pull your gun ever five seconds. In prisons spend more money on programs. In the prison I was at there was very little programs. And the ones that were available were clogged with inmates who wanted to take them not to change but took them because they wanted to look good for a judge on early release.

[Kirby101]

I dont agree with open boarders, defunding the police (which is odd for a man who spent 4 years in prison to say), I dont agree with sanctuary cities, I dont agree with medicare for all. (At least the way I understand it. I will explain how it was explained to me and if I am wrong please let me know) The way it is explained to me is that my father and I would have to give up our private insurance to go on medicare. My dad is disabled, I have a mental health disorder. it took me awhile to find insurance that works for us. And it is good. I researched medicare as we are both on social security we are eligible for it. And our medicines would cost ore, the doctors and specialists my dad sees do not accept medicare. The mental health facitilty I go to does not accept medicare. So my dad and i would have to give up insurance that works for us and keeps him alive for insurance that would be worse.

If We can keep our insurance and do medicare for all, like medicare for those who cant afford health insurance etc.. I would be fine with that. Or if his doctors and meds would be the same I medicare I am fine with that.

Democrats are not for Open Boarders, they are for a sane immigration policy. The open boarders BS is a right wing lie. Joe Biden has stated repeatedly he is not for defunding the police. And that is a misnomer. What the discussion is about is moving some things the police do to other social services. Also stop militarizing the police.

If there is medicare for all, then all Drs would have to take medicare. Except the few who can survive on private, elite practice. That is how it works in every modern country that has Universal Healthcare.