All purpose news and politics thread part VI: This Is Not The Time For Posing

[WestPhillyPunisher]

Guess who sent me another flyer asking for money. With the GALL to ask for more money,

With this insert-

Stand up for our veterans
defeat the socialists on November 3rd, 2020

Joe Biden would return us to the Obama-Biden policy of disrespect, neglect and mistreatment of our nation's veterans.

"Not paid for by any candidate or candidate's committee."

Why would anyone pay when you are telling folks who to vote for. I could excuse it if it was five different parties running versus two.


Question for all

What has Trump did for veterans? Who he didn't disrespect.

That Obama didn't?

The short answer would be----not a damn thing. Trump, by having dodged the draft made him unworthy of respect from the brave men and women who chose to serve and, in some cases, paid the ultimate price. Trump insulted a Gold Star family (the Khans), told the widow of a serviceman killed in Niger "He knew what he was getting into", and, more recently, the shenanigans of his stooge at the USPS fucked things up to the point where veterans who depended on the mail to get their medications were left high and dry. ANY veteran who cozies up to Trump, or worse, kisses his ass is a traitor to everyone, myself included who served.

[JackDaw]

The Alt Right push neo nazi ideals. The "far left" are willing to destroy some property. They mildly trashed a starbucks (which was below apartments, so that one is bad to me. Dont' fucking endanger people or their homes.) because Starbucks give bigly to the police. A new youth detention center, still under construction. An apartment building under construction for the poor. There was reasoning behind this one, but I don't remember it. Some windows of giant corporations. One of which was Target, who were just like, it's cool, we can fix windows and replace merch.

The Far Right would like to cancel entire races. The Far Left would like to cancel the careers of shitty people.

I would personally suggest that one extreme far outweighs the other.

Yours always,
Some Anonymous Guy named "Joker" on the internet.

I agree that in USA one extreme outweighs the other. (World wide, in last 100 years, think the two extremes are equally bad.)

But do you actually find it impossible to condemn the looting and destruction? (I had to smile when I saw your phrase “mildly trashed a Starbucks”...it conjured up images of the looters asking for the owners permission before it happened...somehow I doubt it went that way.)

[Tami]

New word for Trump followers I just though of the Magaites.

[skyvolt2000]

The short answer would be----not a damn thing. Trump, by having dodged the draft made him unworthy of respect from the brave men and women who chose to serve and, in some cases, paid the ultimate price. Trump insulted a Gold Star family (the Khans), told the widow of a serviceman killed in Niger "He knew what he was getting into", and, more recently, the shenanigans of his stooge at the USPS fucked things up to the point where veterans who depended on the mail to get their medications were left high and dry. ANY veteran who cozies up to Trump, or worse, kisses his ass is a traitor to everyone, myself included who served.

That is what I thought. I couldn't think of anything he did for veterans other than insult them.

I am so tempted to write them back and ask for a list of what Obama did to them.

[The no face guy]

See I think it's interesting that you equate people protesting over police brutality to the people out there protesting...well I don't know what they are protesting really? It seems like the latest group in Portland was just out to stir **** up in the name of Trump. But both of those are equal sure. Straight out of the alt right playbook 101.

Far left protesters are the ones asking for Bezos to get the guillotine, not black people angry at being murdered.

Far left protesters are suburban white kids dressed in black, spray painting grafatti on walls, smashing store front windows, and setting cars on fire.

This is not Detroit where over 75% of the population is African American, it's Portland Oregon, where the African American percentage of the population is less than 6%.



Note: Jon Jones one of the greatest fighters in UFC, disarming who, little white punk anarchists who do nothing but garner support for Trump. The city of Portland is full of them, stop supporting them please.

[worstblogever]

I think you summarized the statements inaccurately.

"Nick Spencer's right (hey, I just realized he has the same last name.) It's not about becoming the equivalent of what we hate by allowing for rare exceptions to established norms, but the precedent it would establish." or "If someone wants Richard Spencer to be afraid to leave his door every day, I'm curious how we get to that as a policy." is hardly a defense of Richard Spencer.

That you see it that way could suggest your opinions should not be taken seriously.

You still have yet to seize any opportunity to find common ground and condemn the Nazi, and instead, show concern that he might not be able to show his face in public if people react to him like you should with a Nazi.

You have way more effort spent on arguing with liberals than condemning Nazis or white supremacy. Even when the liberals are pointing out the dangers of those two things.

Again, forgive us if we don't take your opinions on "cancel culture" seriously. When we want to cancel Nazis and you think we're being rash, or something.

[Joker]

I agree that in USA one extreme outweighs the other. (World wide, in last 100 years, think the two extremes are equally bad.)

But do you actually find it impossible to condemn the looting and destruction? (I had to smile when I saw your phrase “mildly trashed a Starbucks”...it conjured up images of the looters asking for the owners permission before it happened...somehow I doubt it went that way.)

I condemn looting. The destruction, eh... depends. A new youth detention center? Good riddance. The Starbucks itself, I won't lose sleep over it. Stealing from a Target? I'm against that, but I'm not losing sleep over it.

I think it takes away from the validity of the protests, and for that I am against it. I was also against huge public protests during a pandemic. I agree with the movement, if not all of the actions taken. Then again, you cannot condemn an entire movement for the actions of a few, or the mob mentality that follows.

Like everything, it's not a binary.

[Mister Mets]

You still have yet to seize any opportunity to find common ground and condemn the Nazi, and instead, show concern that he might not be able to show his face in public if people react to him like you should with a Nazi.

You have way more effort spent on arguing with liberals than condemning Nazis or white supremacy. Even when the liberals are pointing out the dangers of those two things.

Again, forgive us if we don't take your opinions on "cancel culture" seriously. When we want to cancel Nazis and you think we're being rash, or something.

You've made several inaccurate claims about me, so I'm going to be more interested in that than on wasting everyone's time talking about things that we're in agreement on.

To be clear, I did refer to Richard Spencer as a racist scumbag back in January 2017, so I have used opportunities to find common ground and condemn him.

I really don't think there is a major need to condemn Nazis or white supremacists. They do not appear to be popular figures here. Personally, I am not afraid that you, Joker, Tami, WestPhillyPunisher or the regulars here are in danger of being persuaded by the arguments of Nazis. Perhaps I should revisit that after you've expressed your concerns on the topic.

I spend more effort arguing with liberals because there are open liberal posters here. Are there white supremacists who post regularly?

Unless you can copy and paste a statement in which I explicitly defended Richard Spencer, you've made a vile and inaccurate claim about me being a Nazi defender, which is far in excess of anything I've ever said about anyone here.

[numberthirty]

While there's not telling just how spot on the reporting was, it seems like the person they are investigating in the murder in Portland may have previously been arrested on a gun charge only to have it dropped.

Really hope that isn't close to what is actually going on.

It's bad enough when you have the "Republican..." end of things screwing up on their end of things.

[Robotman]

Trump Defends Kyle Rittenhouse's Deadly Shooting: 'They Attacked Him'

[Joker]

Who could have seen that coming...

[Spidey5640]

That is what I thought. I couldn't think of anything he did for veterans other than insult them.

I am so tempted to write them back and ask for a list of what Obama did to them.

Trump signed legislation giving veterans the option, through use of vouchers to seek medical treatment via private providers rather than the VA when the VA cannot see them in a timely manner. Likewise he changed the law making it easier to remove VA doctors or employees deemed incompetent removing bureaucratic protectilns that prevented that in the past. Obama/Biden did none of this.
Hope that helps answer your and WPP query..

[Joker]

Trump signed legislation giving veterans the option, through use of vouchers to seek medical treatment via private providers rather than the VA when the VA cannot see them in a timely manner. Likewise he changed the law making it easier to remove VA doctors or employees deemed incompetent removing bureaucratic protectilns that prevented that in the past. Obama/Biden did none of this.
Hope that helps answer your and WPP query..

Bro:

This is untrue; President Barack Obama signed that law, the product of a bill negotiated between Senators Bernie Sanders, independent of Vermont, and John McCain, Republican of Arizona, in 2014. What Mr. Trump signed in 2018 — a measure called was the Mission Act — greatly loosened the standards allowing veterans to seek primary care, urgent care and mental health services outside the department’s system.

I know you won't like the source, but within the quote I provide, are direct links to archive.gov and whitehouse.gov, showing exactly who signed what. So...

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/08/19/u...-veterans.html

just so you don't have to click the vile liberal spider web that is NYTimes, here's what Obama signed (with McCain)
https://obamawhitehouse.archives.gov...urces-it-needs

Here's what Trump signed
https://www.whitehouse.gov/briefings...sion-act-2018/

So don't say Obama didn't do ****.

Trump's lack of response to the Covid crisis has not helped these matters at all, nor has the hampering of the Postal Service, but that's been well covered elsewhere.

[Wildling]

Trump Defends Kyle Rittenhouse's Deadly Shooting: 'They Attacked Him'

I can't imagine any worse way to say this kinda thing with a legitimacy bringing, straight face than as being POTUS. These flakes would love to fly the attacked flag as far back as when being brought out yelling from the uterus.

Oh! wearing a Spider-Man mask I guess would work as well, while kids are listening. But whenever that happens, we know we decided to read fiction in the first place, and we know the villian being unmasked for life scene isn't too far away.

[WestPhillyPunisher]

Trump Defends Kyle Rittenhouse's Deadly Shooting: 'They Attacked Him'

Well, of course he did. Predictably, Trump ignored that the little shitstain traveled across state lines looking for trouble, just one more reason he should be in jail where he belongs.