All purpose news and politics thread part VI: This Is Not The Time For Posing

[InformationGeek]

Oh boy, this is going to be bad.

The GOP is seeking ‘extremely pro-Trump’ doctors to back their coronavirus plans on TV.

They'd like medical doctors who are willing to serve as mouthpieces for Trump’s push to reopen America’s economy as fast as possible even as coronavirus rages.

[Steel Inquisitor]

We didn't murder all the people! Just...90%-ish?

It's a straw man, as usual. Diluting all America to the worst stereo types and putting in just enough truth to not be entirely without merit.

[Jack Dracula]

This is addressing a different question.

It's also more of a mechanism for compromise, rather than any sort of explanation about what Democrats would do if they didn't have to worry about a Republican President or a Republican Senate.

I was addressing your comment that the Democrats haven't given any limiting principal regarding immigration. They would like to work with Republicans to reach a bipartisan agreement that will finally settle the matter fairly. The President GOP supports would rather abuse children.
You've also mentioned your apprehension about what the Democrats would do without intervention and i'll again point out that we've seen what the Republicans have done and I'd hope you'd agree that it couldn't be worse. Unless, that is, you support what the Republicans are doing to children at the border.

[Mister Mets]

Well if my ancestors had come to this country, murdered all the people there, and claimed all the land and resources for themselves, I would also probably be pretty wary of sharing my stolen wealth with anyone else too.

This response seems to exaggerate both the percentage of Americans who can trace their ancestry back to Americans in the 1890s, and the attitudes of the people who can.

I was addressing your comment that the Democrats haven't given any limiting principal regarding immigration. They would like to work with Republicans to reach a bipartisan agreement that will finally settle the matter fairly. The President GOP supports would rather abuse children.
You've also mentioned your apprehension about what the Democrats would do without intervention and i'll again point out that we've seen what the Republicans have done and I'd hope you'd agree that it couldn't be worse. Unless, that is, you support what the Republicans are doing to children at the border.

Saying Democrats want to work with Republicans to reach a bipartisan agreement is vague, as there's no comment on what specifically the bipartisan agreement would look like, especially in terms of a specific contentious question: limits on legal immigration. I'd also note that saying you want a bipartisan agreement isn't necessarily the same thing as actually wanting one.

We can't say whether a Democratic policy would be worse than what we currently have as they haven't said what they would do. Part of the problem with family separation is that Democrats have made it difficult to close loopholes that incentivize people to bring their children on dangerous journeys to cross the border. Whatever your opinion of those policies, it's unrelated to the question of what limits Democrats prefer on legal immigration, and ultimately addresses problems with a small percentage of immigrants to the United States.

[PwrdOn]

It's a straw man, as usual. Diluting all America to the worst stereo types and putting in just enough truth to not be entirely without merit.

Well if I was making a straw man I would have also pointed out that the refugees are largely fleeing countries that have been destabilized by American military and economic intervention, and that maybe it's not so bad to let them come in and work miserable jobs that no American would ever do, just so that they can send home what would amount to a tiny fraction of the wealth that we plundered from their countries. Not to mention that Americans profit immensely from this deal, since the contributions that immigrants make to the economy far outstrip the slave wages that most of them are being paid, and there's little point in spending billions on draconian border security measures that don't even work anyway. The only viable alternative, that we stop our imperialist meddling in Latin America and instead treat them as equal partners free to develop how they choose, would be FAR more costly because losing our preferential access to water, oil, minerals, etc. and possibly even having to compensate for the environmental damage our companies do abroad, would be a burden that our economy simply could not bear.

This response seems to exaggerate both the percentage of Americans who can trace their ancestry back to Americans in the 1890s, and the attitudes of the people who can.

I wasn't aware that the mistreatment of native Americans stopped in the 1890s. Perhaps I am mistaken in believing that it kind of just continued to the present day and is just as bad as it ever was.

[Steel Inquisitor]

Well if I was making a straw man I would have also pointed out that the refugees are largely fleeing countries that have been destabilized by American military and economic intervention, and that maybe it's not so bad to let them come in and work miserable jobs that no American would ever do, just so that they can send home what would amount to a tiny fraction of the wealth that we plundered from their countries. Not to mention that Americans profit immensely from this deal, since the contributions that immigrants make to the economy far outstrip the slave wages that most of them are being paid, and there's little point in spending billions on draconian border security measures that don't even work anyway. The only viable alternative, that we stop our imperialist meddling in Latin America and instead treat them as equal partners free to develop how they choose, would be FAR more costly because losing our preferential access to water, oil, minerals, etc. and possibly even having to compensate for the environmental damage our companies do abroad, would be a burden that our economy simply could not bear.

America's had a terrible foreign policy except you allowing for any nuance or how complicated it is to tear down and replace them with ones who are less terrible. It's one thing to recognise political problems its quite another to fix them in domestic and geopolitical contexts. Reducing America to be evil and that the Democrats are exactly the same as Republicans, which they aren't, doesn't fix anything all it does is give Republicans and America's enemies a boost and many of them are just as bad if not worse than America is. Some of your ideas are good except there is nobody in America who had the poor to accomplish those goals. It's something which would take decades to accomplish and a congress which is pliable to those beliefs. The Democrats barely are able to keep the country in tact while the GOP destroys its foundations and this isn't a factor in your conclusion. Politics isn't made simply by saying "do that." It's how you get there which matters, those who fail at this don't make progress.

Immigration is a vast subject and you're ignoring how when the Democrats have tried to modify it properly it's been sabotaged by the GOP. This becomes much, much easier to do when there is a Republican part blocking everything so who do you have in mind that can do what the Democrats can't?

I wasn't aware that the mistreatment of native Americans stopped in the 1890s. Perhaps I am mistaken in believing that it kind of just continued to the present day and is just as bad as it ever was.

This is true. However, your arguments point to American being unique in this respect when problems like this persist all over the world.

[PwrdOn]

America's had a terrible foreign policy except you allowing for any nuance or how complicated it is to tear down and replace them with ones who are less terrible. It's one thing to recognise political problems its quite another to fix them in domestic and geopolitical contexts. Reducing America to be evil and that the Democrats are exactly the same as Republicans, which they aren't, doesn't fix anything all it does is give Republicans and America's enemies a boost and many of them are just as bad if not worse than America is. Some of your ideas are good except there is nobody in America who had the poor to accomplish those goals. It's something which would take decades to accomplish and a congress which is pliable to those beliefs. The Democrats barely are able to keep the country in tact while the GOP destroys its foundations and this isn't a factor in your conclusion. Politics isn't made simply by saying "do that." It's how you get there which matters, those who fail at this don't make progress.

Immigration is a vast subject and you're ignoring how when the Democrats have tried to modify it properly it's been sabotaged by the GOP. This becomes much, much easier to do when there is a Republican part blocking everything so who do you have in mind that can do what the Democrats can't?



This is true. However, your arguments point to American being unique in this respect when problems like this persist all over the world.

I mean, they didn't call Obama the deporter in chief for nothing, right? Did the GOP force him to do that too?

[Tendrin]

Geeze louise.

Republican Jo Rae Perkins, now the official challenger to Sen. Jeff Merkley (D-OR) in November, acknowledged her Tuesday night primary win with a proclamation of her solidarity with acolytes of the QAnon conspiracy theory.


“Where we go one, we go all,” she says in a Twitter video, brandishing a “#WWG1WG” sticker with the group’s motto in hashtag form.
“I stand with President Trump, I stand with Q and the team,” she continues. “Thank you anons and thank you patriots. And together, we can save our republic.”
QAnon is a sweeping far-right conspiracy theory which envisions a secret battle between President Donald Trump and a “deep state” supposedly working to destabilize him. The belief system is stitched together from a series of other conspiracy theories, such as Pizzagate, comprised of often incoherent assertions.
For example, QAnon believers often baselessly accuse major Democratic and pop culture figures of being pedophiles and Satan-worshippers. They also believe that a coming event, often referred to as “The Storm,” will leave Trump’s enemies rounded up and tried for their alleged heinous crimes, possibly to be executed or sent to Guantanamo Bay.
Perkins, who won the primary with a nearly 50 percent plurality of the vote, per the New York Times, has long been known to be a QAnon believer.

I mean, Merkley's seat was safe *before*.

[PaulBullion]

So, is the *********** part of hydroxychIoroquine censored for everybody or just for the gays on this board?

[PaulBullion]

Speaking of which, my heart is still breaking for Brazil. The people who voted for Bolsonaro have blood on their hands.

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And of course:

Brazil's Bolsonaro Expands Use of Controversial HydroxychIoroquine After Daily Coronavirus Deaths in Country Hit Record High

Interim Health Minister Eduardo Pazuello will sign the new hydroxy*********** guidelines on Wednesday.

Bolsonaro, who has downplayed the coronavirus's threat to his country, has insisted on reopening Brazil's economy and encouraged people to violate lockdown orders put in place by governors and mayors.

[BeastieRunner]

So, is the *********** part of hydroxychIoroquine censored for everybody or just for the gays on this board?

Straight white male here ...

Hydroxy*********** ************! *********** **** *********** **** ***********! Assclown c h L o r o q u i n e bitch!

Nope, the board censors everyone. Somebody needs to get ED to fix that swear filter, though. Those are some good ones that got in.

I thought we couldn't swear anymore?

[PaulBullion]

Arizona: 3 wounded following mass shooting near Westgate Entertainment District

The pandemic did sadly not stop the shooting epidemic.

One of the reported witnesses to the shooting is State Senator Martin Quezada, who said, on his verified Twitter page that he saw the shooting, and that the suspect reportedly used an AR-15.

[jetengine]

Arizona: 3 wounded following mass shooting near Westgate Entertainment District

The pandemic did sadly not stop the shooting epidemic.

Once again, why do you need an AR-15 ? Your not hunting with it and your certainly not "defending yourself" with it. Who are you "defending yourself" from ? Cause Burglars dont come in groups of 30.

[Tendrin]

Oh WBE-EEEeeeeee..

After refusing to wear a mask during a legislative session on Wednesday, Illinois state Rep. Darren Bailey (R) was escorted out of the Bank of Springfield Center, the House's temporary home.
This was the House's first session in more than two months, and legislators voted to adopt rules requiring themselves and staff members wear face coverings. Bailey refused to wear a mask, The Chicago Tribune reports, and when told to come into compliance, he replied, "I will not. Thank you." A motion to remove him from the proceedings passed 81-27. Bailey smiled as he was escorted out.

https://www.yahoo.com/news/illinois-...015707866.html

[PaulBullion]

Once again, why do you need an AR-15 ? Your not hunting with it and your certainly not "defending yourself" with it. Who are you "defending yourself" from ? Cause Burglars dont come in groups of 30.

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