All purpose news and politics thread part VI: This Is Not The Time For Posing

[PaulBullion]

Whaaaaaaaaaaaaaat.

Huge if true!

[Revolutionary_Jack]

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/polit...?ocid=msedgdhp

The GOP seems desperate to draw some sort of false equivalency. Apparently, now, Megan Markle and Prince Harry encouraging people to vote and implying that four more years of Trump might not be the best idea is "interfering in the election". Um, no. Expressing opinions is not interfering and is blatantly drawing a false equivalency to leaking secret documents to influence an election as the Russians did to help Trump get elected.

That's right.

That said, I technically do agree that it's disingenuous for anyone in the Royal Family to encourage people to vote since these people live lavish unelected lives endowed to them by birth by taxpayer money.

Ultimately Royalty should be abolished and done away with, even the seemingly good ones you agree with.

[The no face guy]

there's plenty of low-key support for militia culture in Michigan. The state is pretty "deep red" outside of some of the major cities and prominent college towns (Detroit, Lansing, Ann Arbor, Kalamazoo)... grand rapids is solidly republican, as are most rural/exurban parts of the state where most state legislators tend to be Republican and especially for the past 30 years in particular the ideological bent has been further right, from the Gingrich-era neocons to today's Trumpists and Tea Party folks. It has led to far-right lurching in state policies for most of the past 30 years.. a democrat was elected as governor in Jennifer Granholm (2002-2010) but she had limited success in bypassing their influence... Republican Rick Snyder served from 2010-2018; he officially promoted himself as a moderate but co-signed on most of the bills the republican-led legislature proposed.. the only nominally progressive accomplishment was to expand Medicaid in the state circa 2014.. of course, Snyder was also responsible for all the emergency management appointments that among other things led to the flint water crisis and detroit's bankruptcy.. Repubs still dominate the legislature after Whitmer's election in 2018... similar scenarios are playing out as in Granholm's tenure.. GOP representatives want full-bore tea-party tax cuts on everything and chopping up of social programs (and adding a drug testing context to everything).. Now that coronavirus has likely dramatically altered the results of the 2020 Census, (especially with 45 heading up the federal government), my only hope is that the (purportedly) independent commission to redistrict Michigan's voting precincts will not fall under arch-conservative sway (officially, the commission is supposed to be four Democrats, four Republicans and five Independents)... we'll see what happens..

I can sum up the rise of right wing militia men & red state Michigan in one chart

https://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2010/04/uawm-a01.html

and this bullshite has to stop in your country, because there trying to bring it up here.

https://www.michigancapitolconfident...ic-low-in-2019

Say No! to union busting right to work laws!

Blue collar workers should be happily watching football, not wandering around covering there face in handkerchief's, saddling a semi automatic rifle in camouflage, the economic rot has set in!

[Revolutionary_Jack]

I can sum up the rise of right wing militia men & red state Michigan in one chart

https://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2010/04/uawm-a01.html

and this bullshite has to stop in your country, because there trying to bring it up here.

https://www.michigancapitolconfident...ic-low-in-2019

Say No! to union busting right to work laws!

Blue collar workers should be happily watching football, not wandering around covering there face in handkerchief's, saddling a semi automatic rifle in camouflage, the economic rot has set in!

Some of these militia members are 21 years old, and most are on the young side...lack of blue collar jobs doesn't explain why these kids decided to take up arms and kidnap and subject to trial (i.e. code for torture and brutal murder) of an elected governor at her vacation home (i.e. where she is with her family and children).

Making a grand narrative out of a random failed plot of terrorism is bad form.

Unionization is important, worthy of support, necessary to revive but it deserves better than to be tainted with this.

[PaulBullion]

Dr. Fauci Says WH Rose Garden SCOTUS Event Was a COVID-19 'Superspreader'

Good to see at least Newsweek is not letting this go.

[worstblogever]

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/polit...?ocid=msedgdhp

The GOP seems desperate to draw some sort of false equivalency. Apparently, now, Megan Markle and Prince Harry encouraging people to vote and implying that four more years of Trump might not be the best idea is "interfering in the election". Um, no. Expressing opinions is not interfering and is blatantly drawing a false equivalency to leaking secret documents to influence an election as the Russians did to help Trump get elected.

Megan Markle... is American. So...?

[Revolutionary_Jack]

I think Superspreader is calling it mildly, considering how far and wide these people and their entourage traveled, and the staff and security...this is an epic-spreader. The virus is asymptomatic and can incubate for days, so it's going to be a week or two before the full scale of the Rose Garden mess will be known.

Dr. Fauci Says WH Rose Garden SCOTUS Event Was a COVID-19 'Superspreader'

Good to see at least Newsweek is not letting this go.

It's a wonder Fauci hasn't been fired yet. He's so far the only one who has been able to keep a shred of dignity in the task force.

Bet he's feeling pretty glad that Covid Task Force meetings at the WH and other press briefings are canceled, otherwise he might have gotten the bug too.

[The no face guy]

Some of these militia members are 21 years old, and most are on the young side...lack of blue collar jobs doesn't explain why these kids decided to take up arms and kidnap and subject to trial (i.e. code for torture and brutal murder) of an elected governor at her vacation home (i.e. where she is with her family and children).

Making a grand narrative out of a random failed plot of terrorism is bad form.

Unionization is important, worthy of support, necessary to revive but it deserves better than to be tainted with this.

They are 21 year olds with no prospective good paying jobs who are getting radicalized by bullshite off the internet. In the 1970's a kid could be a high school drop out and get a good union paying job with the UAW, now he's lucky if he can get a job at all let alone working at the mini mart.

I am aware that bigotry has always been a long standing cultural problem amongst blue collar workers, but the rise of right wing extremism and opioid addiction didn't set in until globalization, offshoring and the continuous assault by Republican legislators on unions set in. Good paying jobs builds strong communities and keeps the political fringes to the margins where they belong.

[babyblob]

Trump last night did a half assed job of Denouncing the kidnap plot. In his statement he said it is the right. But also the left and it was the Justice department, the justice department that the governor complains about that stopped the plot before adding that it was "His justice department."

[worstblogever]

Trump last night did a half assed job of Denouncing the kidnap plot. In his statement he said it is the right. But also the left and it was the Justice department, the justice department that the governor complains about that stopped the plot before adding that it was "His justice department."

If it his "his", why did "his" AG testify before Congress that he was unaware of any plots or threats against Gov. Whitmer, when the FBI were literally investigating it?

Answer: Bill Barr perjured himself. Again.

[Bruce Wayne]

I am aware that bigotry has always been a long standing cultural problem amongst blue collar workers, but the rise of right wing extremism and opioid addiction didn't set in untilglobalization, offshoring and the continuous assault by Republican legislators on unions set in. Good paying jobs builds strong communities and keeps the political fringes to the margins where they belong.

That's putting the cart before the horse. Post-70s, American firms for various reason were not able to compete with Japanese and Europeans (such as in Germany) firms due to various reasons including quicker adaptation of newer technologies there/education/different economic models (the Japanese models that was later exported to SKorea/Taiwan/China favored government leverage of banks and using loans to support state sponsored industrialization via private firms). The only way American firms thought they could compete was through slashing the cost of labor (breaking and undermining the unions)or shipping the jobs overseas which was again to lower overhead for labor. But the reason Rust Model is the way it is now is because American industry failed to adapt to changing conditions when the rest of the developed world starting catching up to American industry .You see the same thing with British motorcycle companies that got their ass kicked by Japanese companies like Yamaha/Suzuki/Honda.

[Amadeus Arkham]

BREAKING: President Trump is returning to the campaign trail and will hold his first rally since his COVID-19 diagnosis on Monday in Florida.

With President likely to still be contagious, this is inevitably bound to be a pretty nasty super spreader event. This man is going to get people sick and killed, and there’s little chance Trump is even going to bother wearing a mask.

[PaulBullion]

I think Superspreader is calling it mildly, considering how far and wide these people and their entourage traveled, and the staff and security...this is an epic-spreader. The virus is asymptomatic and can incubate for days, so it's going to be a week or two before the full scale of the Rose Garden mess will be known. .

How about superduper spreader? Hyper spreader? Mother of all spreaders?

[The no face guy]

That's putting the cart before the horse. Post-70s, American firms for various reason were not able to compete with Japanese and Europeans (such as in Germany) firms due to various reasons including quicker adaptation of newer technologies there/education/different economic models (the Japanese models that was later exported to SKorea/Taiwan/China favored government leverage of banks and using loans to support state sponsored industrialization via private firms). The only way American firms thought they could compete was through slashing the cost of labor (breaking and undermining the unions)or shipping the jobs overseas which was again to lower overhead for labor. But the reason Rust Model is the way it is now is because American industry failed to adapt to changing conditions when the rest of the developed world starting catching up to American industry .You see the same thing with British motorcycle companies that got their ass kicked by Japanese companies like Yamaha/Suzuki/Honda.

The interesting thing about that argument is that German auto plants, were, and currently are, represented by a higher number of union representation than in Michigan.

American auto companies failed to adapt because the CEO's at the top weren't innovated enough, because they were happy with the gas guzzling status quo that was raking in huge profits at the time, but became outdated as Japanese and European auto manufactures offered more efficient longer lasting automobiles.

If we are going to have an honest non partisan debate, than I would say there is truth in your claim as there is truth in mine, but their is a direct correlation between the decline of wages in your country and union representation.

In the 1960's, both Canada and the United States had a union representation of 30%, today in Canada it is still at 30% and in your country it is now under 10%. Globalization and offshoring didn't do that, Republican lawmakers did.

[Joker]

I apologize, you did not verbatim say that. You just said something a whole lot like it, and just as wrong and dangerous.

Oh-fucking-kay bud. If you insist.