All purpose news and politics thread part VI: This Is Not The Time For Posing

[worstblogever]

Saw this making the rounds from one Sawyer Hackett, on Twitter:

"Trump supporters sent pipe bombs to prominent Democrats.

They ran down marchers in Charlottesville.

They killed BLM protestors in Wisconsin.

They murdered 23 people in El Paso.

Now they’ve plotted to kidnap sitting governors.

Which party has a law and order problem?

[Revolutionary_Jack]

In UK Scottish Nationalism is a far more potent and organised force than English Nationalism.

The Scottish Referendum was Unionist in 2014 specifically because the Conservatives touted the benefits of being in the EU, which most Scots wanted.

Then Brexit happened and in that referendum a majority of Scotsfolk voted "Remain" and now they have to be yanked out of the EU through no fault of their own and all fault to David Cameron.

So that's not really the same thing. Scottish Nationalism has democratic momentum and support.

[JackDaw]

The Scottish Referendum was Unionist in 2014 specifically because the Conservatives touted the benefits of being in the EU, which most Scots wanted.

Then Brexit happened and in that referendum a majority of Scotsfolk voted "Remain" and now they have to be yanked out of the EU through no fault of their own and all fault to David Cameron.

So that's not really the same thing. Scottish Nationalism has democratic momentum and support.

Factually the SNP were regularly winning the elections for Scottish own parliament long before Brexit, and regularly winning the large majority of representatives Scotland sends to overall UK parliament also well before Brexit.

Roughly 50 of Scots have wanted to split from the overall union for a long time. I guess less than 10 percent of English people want that, and there is no English equivalent to Scottish Nationalist Party...a nationalist party that actually wins widespread electoral support.

Double standards are regularly applied to SNP...so not surprised that you fear English nationalism but greenlight Scottish.

[The no face guy]

Republicans only admit to plotting redistricting of Kansas to muscle out a Dem.
(https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YdKg..._channel=MSNBC)

Having the conversation after a bunch of white terrorists got busted normalizes a double standard where white criminals are sentimentalized. That perpetrate white supremacy.

In case you weren't paying attention I was the one who posted the article that brought attention to the matter on the forum.

They ain't your run of the mill white criminals, they are white nationalist fruit loops who have been radicalized in a state that has seen income inequality rapidly rise with the decline of union representation.

No they weren't!!! That's the thing. The Columbine killers weren't bullied kids. After the shootings happened, people started this false narrative around that and that became "common knowledge" partly down to the sympathy that white criminals engender.

They were relentlessly bullied, and often victims will ape the behavior of their predators to feel empowerment.

Here’s a big hint. The guy in high school wearing a black trench coat listening to Marilyn Manson isn’t the popular kid on the football team, he’s usually a target of bullying by the football team.

This is blatantly ridiculous. I know first hand that many middle class people have extreme views and furthermore the majority of white voters for Trump were middle class, including college educated white men and college educated white women (granted that empirically there's reports suggesting that many of these white women voters were forced to vote for Trump at the threat and coercion of abuse from their partners).

Wrong again. https://www.********/articles/job-on...es-11563806244

That is a trap for Democrats. A slide among traditionally Democratic working-class whites played a huge part in Hillary Clinton’s loss to Mr. Trump in 2016. She lost the white non-college vote by a stunning 67% to 28% nationally. In the three states most crucial to Mr. Trump in his upset victory—Pennsylvania, Michigan and Wisconsin—her failure to win more than about a third of the white working-class vote led directly to the narrow Trump wins that gave him a victory in the Electoral College.

Steve Bannon is a self-aggrandizing hack and a proven crook, who likes to take credit for stuff on which he had a small part in and otherwise make himself appear smarter and more capable than he is.

Crook he is, but he was also a major player in Nigel Farage’s Brexit campaign, and he took that model and applied it to the American mid west, don’t underestimate your enemies.

https://www.newyorker.com/news/news-...role-in-brexit

I strongly suggest you do real research and not buy into celebrity accounts of politics, and certainly not US politics.

I never have, all my research is based on sound empirical evidence, I’d be quickly fired by my profession if I did not.

However I would strongly suggest that you to stop being a middle class prat, and denigrating the unions and the workers who helped build the middle class in the first place.

[Revolutionary_Jack]

Factually the SNP were regularly winning the elections for Scottish own parliament long before Brexit, and regularly winning the large majority of representatives Scotland sends to overall UK parliament also well before Brexit.

Roughly 50 of Scots have wanted to split from the overall union for a long time. I guess less than 10 percent of English people want that, and there is no English equivalent to Scottish Nationalist Party...a nationalist party that actually wins widespread electoral support.

Double standards are regularly applied to SNP...so not surprised that you fear English nationalism but greenlight Scottish.

Scottish Nationalism isn't based on the false notion that they are still a world empire the way English nationalism is.

Brexit was driven by people thinking that England was collectively bigger than the European Union, that they could walk out of a lifeblood economic partnership and chart their own course on the world stage lickety-spit.

[BeastieRunner]

Early voting trends in 13 of 14 new states doing this mail in thing for the first time are showing a 2-1 lean for Dems.

In the 27 early voting states so far, over 6M have voted. 1.4M registered Dems have voted compared ~653K Rs, a 2.1 turnout ratio for Dems.

We are staring at a historic Obama-level turnout.

https://thehill.com/homenews/state-w...rly-voting?amp

[Revolutionary_Jack]

However I would strongly suggest that you to stop being a middle class prat, and denigrating the unions and the workers who helped build the middle class in the first place.

A) you assume that I am middle-class in background and origins, and conditions, when you have no way of knowing or verifying that, and which I can tell you is not true.

B) insisting that people don't affix the cause of unionization to terrorists is the complete opposite of 'denigrating the union'.

C) you were the one who said, "Yes, but studies have consistently showed that youths who come from comfy middle class families with love and stability, are less likely to be sucked into political extremism, whether it be the left or the right"...which is the height of condescension/snobbery/ignorance implying that working class people are intrinsically tied to extremism and that middle class people aren't...which I can tell you from personal experience and historical examples isn't true at all.

The "secret Trump voter" is a phenomenon. These are people (https://www.startribune.com/anatomy-...ter/572580192/) who vote for Trump simply because his policies while cruel and awful to poor people and minorities provide those with some property and success, some benefit to maintain their status-quo. A lot of people who appear woke, who look woke, and speak woke, in some cases are woke but secretly vote Trump because they like to keep all their money.

[Tendrin]

In UK Scottish Nationalism is a far more potent and organised force than English Nationalism.

I would disagree. Only one of them won a referendum. Only one of them dominates the national Parliament. Only one of them has inflicted grievous harm on the UK as of /yet/.

[The no face guy]

A) you assume that I am middle-class in background and origins, and conditions, when you have no way of knowing or verifying that, and which I can tell you is not true.

B) insisting that people don't affix the cause of unionization to terrorists is the complete opposite of 'denigrating the union'.

C) you were the one who said, "Yes, but studies have consistently showed that youths who come from comfy middle class families with love and stability, are less likely to be sucked into political extremism, whether it be the left or the right"...which is the height of condescension/snobbery/ignorance implying that working class people are intrinsically tied to extremism and that middle class people aren't...which I can tell you from personal experience and historical examples isn't true at all.

The "secret Trump voter" is a phenomenon. These are people (https://www.startribune.com/anatomy-...ter/572580192/) who vote for Trump simply because his policies while cruel and awful to poor people and minorities provide those with some property and success, some benefit to maintain their status-quo. A lot of people who appear woke, who look woke, and speak woke, in some cases are woke but secretly vote Trump because they like to keep all their money.

Whatever you say Pampered Jack, I believe you, I'll keep your middle class upbringing our secret.

We are batting for the same team, in that we both want to see right wing populism defeated no?

The next time you see someone post in black bold, say no to right to work laws, you might want to add some positive words of encouragement, later skater.

[Tendrin]

American media has a long history of downplaying white supremacy, even liberals do this. Charles Manson for instance was a white supremacist but that fact isn't mentioned or addressed in any media dealing with it, not even Tarantino's recent film. The Columbine kids aren't portrayed as white supremacists either.

And middle-class and rich people get radicalized all the time, I mean quite often:
--In Japan, those Sarin Gas Attacks led by that cult were mostly middle class types.
--And the 9/11 attackers weren't part of the proletariat of Saudi Arabia by any means, they were all religious dudes who had to somehow emigrate to America, participate in flight school and blend in, before carrying out the attacks. Bin Laden himself was a wealthy member of the Saudi elite who got radicalized.

Donald Trump is arguably another example of an elite figure getting radicalized.

We're seeing it now with the wannabe kidnappers. Hampton Trust Fund Kid and Boatshoe Socialist (thanks Imani!) Walker Bragman recently posted an image of the home of one of the radicals and spouted off about 'poor whites and alienation', ignoring the fact that the guy had multiple cars, $500 firearms aplenty, and was living on actual acreage.

[Tendrin]

We are batting for the same team, in that we both want to see right wing populism defeated no?

The next time you see someone post in black bold, say no to right to work laws, you might want to add some positive words of encouragement.

Indugling your myths doesn't defeat white-wing populism.

[The no face guy]

Indugling your myths doesn't defeat white-wing populism.

It's common knowledge that economic downturns spurs the growth of right wing nationalism.

The long depression of the late 19th century gave rise to the first wave of xenophobic populism.

The great depression gave rise to Nazi Germany.

The great recession of of 2008 has corresponded with the rise of right wing populism globally from Trump to Bolsonaro.

Income inequality favours the far right.

[Tendrin]

It's common knowledge that economic downturns spurs the growth of right wing nationalism.

The long depression of the late 19th century gave rise to the first wave of xenophobic populism.

The great depression gave rise to Nazi Germany.

The great recession of of 2008 has corresponded with the rise of right wing populism globally from Trump to Bolsonaro.

Income inequality favours the far right.

There is more wrong with this than you realize. Much more. But none of this changes that the specific myths you offered in in your discussion with Revolutionary Jack were wrong.

[The no face guy]

There is more wrong with this than you realize. Much more. But none of this changes that the specific myths you offered in in your discussion with Revolutionary Jack were wrong.

You mean the decline of Union representation and good paying jobs in Michigan has nothing to due with the rise of right wing militia groups, that myth. All right then enlighten me.

[numberthirty]

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They were relentlessly bullied, and often victims will ape the behavior of their predators to feel empowerment.

Here’s a big hint. The guy in high school wearing a black trench coat listening to Marilyn Manson isn’t the popular kid on the football team, he’s usually a target of bullying by the football team.

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I never have, all my research is based on sound empirical evidence, I’d be quickly fired by my profession if I did not.

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Politely...

Could you hip me to the evidence that what is in blue was actually the case?