All purpose news and politics thread part VI: This Is Not The Time For Posing

[Joker]

Seriously what more could have been done?

If only Democrats could figure that out.

[JCAll]

Yeah, that makes sense. Not just a matter of disenfranchisement, but rumour and gossip spreading. To fight this in the future, Democrats need to send their own messages warning of potential misinformation on WhatsApp groups.

Propaganda is a hell of a drug, I'm not sure there's ever been a surefire to fight it.

[Hypestyle]

I laid down for a bit but got back up. The senate map is just depressing. I mean wow. Seriously what more could have been done? Millions upon millions and its not like the candidates were crap in the tight races.

People just seem to buy into the Dems "liberal" socialism stuff way more than we thought.

for the DNC, more deliberate funding, and early funding, for racial minority candidates is needed as well as funded, sustained, long-term voter registration and issue education for racial minority cohort communities. much of the deep south was 'written off' during the nixon/reagan/bush years. But in the meanwhile, many northern/western democratic-sympathetic voters became apathetic, and there are plenty to potentially get, and who are "easier" to get compared to the hardcore "independent' (center-right/far right-libertarian) white suburban/rural people that more consistently vote Republican. This is what the DNC leadership orthodoxy continue to screw up, and badly.
The DNC needs to passionately build up its minority outreach and do it all year round. Hey Mike Bloomberg! Instead of TV-radio ad blitzes, Put some of that money into a couple thousand community organizers in Florida, Texas, Alabama, Georgia, Mississippi, Louisiana, Kentucky... I'm dead serious. The "ground game" is severely lacking for the DNC. More consistent hip, and yes, bluntly liberal, messaging is needed. All the super-centrist stuff is yielding... what results, actually, overall?

The Trump base is clinging to whiteness like that fly on Pence's head a few weeks back. Shouldn't be a surprise to most people.
"This isn't America"...
YES IT IS.

white supremacy/nationalism is the flour to the cake, it's the eggs. It's not the frosting that you can scrape off. We need an entirely new recipe to "build back better"...

[KNIGHT OF THE LAKE]

I laid down for a bit but got back up. The senate map is just depressing. I mean wow. Seriously what more could have been done? Millions upon millions and its not like the candidates were crap in the tight races.

People just seem to buy into the Dems "liberal" socialism stuff way more than we thought.

1. The Senate map was always tough. Always. It was never remotely a given. If the Dems won it was going to be a 51-49 or 50-50. Either way nothing will get done now.

2. No some of us were trying to tell you that whoever won the primary was going to be labeled a socialist. Hint: not a good idea to piss off all the people that actually like that stuff. The strategy of chasing magical Republican moderates is not real and all they are going is pissing got a huge chunk of their party. It’s like going to prom and trying to take home every girl but your date and wondering at the end of the night why she ditched you while all the other girls went home with the date they came with.

This election should have been a layup. Now it’s a nail biter. That 2018 blew wave didn’t mean a thing. Enthusiasm matters. Your base matters. It’s not that complicated.

[kidfresh512]

If only Democrats could figure that out.

I legitimately don't know how. How do you combat the willful ignorance of people? Voting against their own interests in alot of cases. Mitch literally stalled economic stimulus when so many are hurting. But Iowa farmers have been getting the Welfare payments to cover up tariff failures and said ok we will have more Joni Ernst?

Mitch hasn't passed stimulus but he keeps the Senate?

1. The Senate map was always tough. Always. It was never remotely a given. If the Dems won it was going to be a 51-49 or 50-50. Either way nothing will get done now.

2. No some of us were trying to tell you that whoever won the primary was going to be labeled a socialist. Hint: not a good idea to piss off all the people that actually like that stuff. The strategy of chasing magical Republican moderates is not real and all they are going is pissing got a huge chunk of their party. It’s like going to prom and trying to take home every girl but your date and wondering at the end of the night why she ditched you while all the other girls went home with the date they came with.

This election should have been a layup. Now it’s a nail biter. That 2018 blew wave didn’t mean a thing. Enthusiasm matters. Your base matters. It’s not that complicated.

What this election shows is that progressive label was toxic even placed on people who clearly were not "progressive". So I sincerely hope there isn't a legit argument that any other Dem candidate could have done any better here or changed more votes than Biden. Look at Georgia how close its gotten Black people were trying to save the country again. But can we get some damn help please? All those stories of people in lines for hours upon hours in Georgia. All that work Stacy Abrahams has been doing since she lost to get the elections fairer and cleaner there.

[C_Miller]

Just listened to the Donald on BBC..

One second he’s complaining about Democrats going to court if they lose...improper use of the law. The next second he saying he’s going to Supreme Court himself, effectively to stop votes being counted.

Don’t large majority of people spot the inconsistency?

On balance...the Donald seems convinced he’s won.

I’m amazed.

It's extremely concerning.

[KNIGHT OF THE LAKE]

If only Democrats could figure that out.

Probably not run the sand playbook from 2016 and hoping you can win simply off mere disdain for Trump. That would have been a good start. Maybe if the candidate had a message everybody loved and it wasn’t “a return fo decency” or whatever nonsense to make it feel like we were in an episode of the Care Bears.

I fucking hate this. I wanted this ************ to be embarrassed tonight. Now even if he loses, it’s going to be barely and his base is going to say “oh his message worked, he just got bad luck with the pandemic”. Then next time they will run a similar psycho only a bit more competent so they can do real damage. They found their playbook

[FluffyCyclopsRLZ]

This is going to end up with Trump winning the EC by the skin of his teeth and the Democrats asking for a recount, isn't?

[PwrdOn]

What this election shows is that progressive label was toxic even placed on people who clearly were not "progressive". So I sincerely hope there isn't a legit argument that any other Dem candidate could have done any better here or changed more votes than Biden.

Anyone could have predicted that this would happen though, the Republicans were always going to label any Democratic candidate as some radical socialist regardless of what policies they supported, and it was always a pipe dream to think that you could really sway moderate Republican voters by running to the right. What they really needed was to gin up enthusiasm among the base and get record turnout numbers, something that of course would be difficult in the middle of a pandemic, but would be doubly difficult with a candidate that doesn't really have any kind of message and isn't offering much in the way of concrete policy proposals, other than a pledge to repeal Medicare for all and to continue supporting fracking. Election after election has proven that when you try to run as a fake Republican, that voters will just go for the real thing instead.

[KNIGHT OF THE LAKE]

This is going to end up with Trump winning the EC by the skin of his teeth and the Democrats asking for a recount, isn't?

More likely a painful drag out with Trump trying to declare victory every step of the war

[worstblogever]

I laid down for a bit but got back up. The senate map is just depressing. I mean wow. Seriously what more could have been done? Millions upon millions and its not like the candidates were crap in the tight races.

People just seem to buy into the Dems "liberal" socialism stuff way more than we thought.

This is what's depressing me more right now.

Like, Gardner went down. McSally went down. Those were expected.

In Iowa, the polls had Ernst in only a few EVEN. She was trailing in all the rest after a disastrous debate. She's won.
Tillis in NC: Trailing in all. Somehow ahead with the last 5% of votes left to count.
Collins: Trailed in all. Somehow ahead.
Perdue: Even in about half, trailed in the other half. Disastrous final debate. Ahead with about 5% of the votes left to count.
Warnock: Still has a runoff election that might decide control of the Senate.
Daines in MT: polls were even. Has slight edge with a lot of votes to count.


Like, it's weird that the polls were all off everywhere across the country about 5% and all in the favor of just about every GOP Senator, no matter how bleak things looked.

[numberthirty]

1. The Senate map was always tough. Always. It was never remotely a given. If the Dems won it was going to be a 51-49 or 50-50. Either way nothing will get done now.

2. No some of us were trying to tell you that whoever won the primary was going to be labeled a socialist. Hint: not a good idea to piss off all the people that actually like that stuff. The strategy of chasing magical Republican moderates is not real and all they are going is pissing got a huge chunk of their party. It’s like going to prom and trying to take home every girl but your date and wondering at the end of the night why she ditched you while all the other girls went home with the date they came with.

This election should have been a layup. Now it’s a nail biter. That 2018 blew wave didn’t mean a thing. Enthusiasm matters. Your base matters. It’s not that complicated.

You had a bunch of people make the case for nominating Biden based on that he would deliver a bunch of swing states. Can I get a list of all of the ones he delivered?

Sanders could have lost Florida, and most likely have done far better with Latino voters that were pretty clearly needed.

[worstblogever]

This is going to end up with Trump winning the EC by the skin of his teeth and the Democrats asking for a recount, isn't?

Likely the opposite. But "skin of the teeth" will still likely be Biden by 2 or 3 states worth of EC votes.

[WestPhillyPunisher]

For whatever it's worth, here's the latest stats from FiveThirtyEight:

Electoral College: Biden-221, Trump-213 (270 needed)

House: Deemocrats-204, Republicans-190 (218 needed)

Senate: Republicans-47, Democrats-44 (51 needed)

[SUPERECWFAN1]

This is how it felt to be a Chiefs fan for years. We might as well admit it now...this is where the country has went and no stopping it. Things will likely get worse before they ever get better. In 2024 if Covid , recession and more isn't done with and were in worse shape (depression) then .