All purpose news and politics thread part VI: This Is Not The Time For Posing

[Username taken]

This is what's depressing me more right now.

Like, Gardner went down. McSally went down. Those were expected.

In Iowa, the polls had Ernst in only a few EVEN. She was trailing in all the rest after a disastrous debate. She's won.
Tillis in NC: Trailing in all. Somehow ahead with the last 5% of votes left to count.
Collins: Trailed in all. Somehow ahead.
Perdue: Even in about half, trailed in the other half. Disastrous final debate. Ahead with about 5% of the votes left to count.
Warnock: Still has a runoff election that might decide control of the Senate.
Daines in MT: polls were even. Has slight edge with a lot of votes to count.


Like, it's weird that the polls were all off everywhere across the country about 5% and all in the favor of just about every GOP Senator, no matter how bleak things looked.

Exactly.

I didn't expect Lindsey Graham to lose (the polls had him marginally ahead) but to see Susan Collins ahead is a shock. Perdue had a disastrous debate and still somehow won.

In the Presidential race, the only polls that looked accurate in the battlegrounds were the Seltzer poll in Iowa and Rasmussen and Trafalgar in Florida. Even accounting for the early votes, that fact that Biden has to fall back on the blue wall (which is by no means guaranteed at this point) means the polls were totally off.

[WestPhillyPunisher]

For whatever it's worth, it's been reported that Biden won Arizona, a state Trump captured in 2016.

[KNIGHT OF THE LAKE]

I legitimately don't know how. How do you combat the willful ignorance of people? Voting against their own interests in alot of cases. Mitch literally stalled economic stimulus when so many are hurting. But Iowa farmers have been getting the Welfare payments to cover up tariff failures and said ok we will have more Joni Ernst?

Mitch hasn't passed stimulus but he keeps the Senate?



What this election shows is that progressive label was toxic even placed on people who clearly were not "progressive". So I sincerely hope there isn't a legit argument that any other Dem candidate could have done any better here or changed more votes than Biden. Look at Georgia how close its gotten Black people were trying to save the country again. But can we get some damn help please? All those sotries of people in lines for hours upon hours in Georgia. All that work Stacy Abrahams has been doing since she lost to get the elections fairer and cleaner there.

1. Pretty much every progressive on here told you this would happen. You guys were the ones saying Biden was the “safe choice” when we were screaming that he wasn’t just like we did with Hillary 4 years ago. This is crazy circle logic.

2. I don’t really want to here about how black people in the south are some saviors for the party when they’ve never been able to win a general for us but then spend all primary driving the party right. They don’t have the votes. Biden wasn’t the safe pick everyone claimed and that all of us saying, “hey Biden has issues with his record, hey there isn’t enthusiasm for Biden” had a point You will never find a more moderate Dem again to run. In fact, so far this year, black people improved for Trump. So not only did he not win Florida like he was supposed to and was a big selling point, not only did none of the states that gave him momentum and a safety net in the primary do a single thing for him, the voting block everyone claimed was going to be all in on him actually wasn’t. And once again this whole thing is down on the Midwest.

Oh and one last thing... Stacy Abrams lost. She didn’t win. I’m sick of this party making excuses for and lionizing losers as if it means something. It’s a reason this party is getting a rep for being losers.

But by all means take the lesson for being wrong, again, to mean that you should triple down.

I hope you know that if Biden does pull this out, it was blind luck that a pandemic happened, because all this shows me is that if Trump didn’t have that and ran on a strong economy tonight would have been walk off.

[numberthirty]

Exactly.

I didn't expect Lindsey Graham to lose (the polls had him marginally ahead) but to see Susan Collins ahead is a shock. Perdue had a disastrous debate and still somehow won.

In the Presidential race, the only polls that looked accurate in the battlegrounds were the Seltzer poll in Iowa and Rasmussen and Trafalgar in Florida. Even accounting for the early votes, that fact that Biden has to fall back on the blue wall (which is by no means guaranteed at this point) means the polls were totally off.

It's really not.

They are 110% committed to the bit.

None of this "Well, Lemme Vet Some Republicans For My Administration..." garbage.

What you will get? It will be reprehensible. That said, what you saw will be what you will eventually get.

[FluffyCyclopsRLZ]

Likely the opposite. But "skin of the teeth" will still likely be Biden by 2 or 3 states worth of EC votes.

It could obviously go either way, but given how basically every freakin' national poll was hilariously/distressingly off, I can't help but think it'll play out similarly with the outstanding votes. Sure, everyone's expecting for the gap to close in the Dems' favor, but will it be enough to flip enough of the swing states in which Trump currently has a lead?

[kidfresh512]

1. Pretty much every progressive on here told you this would happen. You guys were the ones saying Biden was the “safe choice” when we were screaming that he wasn’t just like we did with Hillary 4 years ago. This is crazy circle logic.

2. I don’t really want to here about how black people in the south are some saviors for the party when they’ve never been able to win a general for us but then spend all primary driving the party right. They don’t have the votes. Biden wasn’t the safe pick everyone claimed and that all of us saying, “hey Biden has issues with his record, hey there isn’t enthusiasm for Biden” had a point You will never find a more moderate Dem again to run. In fact, so far this year, black people improved for Trump. So not only did he not win Florida like he was supposed to and was a big selling point, not only did none of the states that gave him momentum and a safety net in the primary do a single thing for him, the voting block everyone claimed was going to be all in on him actually wasn’t. And once again this whole thing is down on the Midwest.

Oh and one last thing... Stacy Abrams lost. She didn’t win. I’m sick of this party making excuses for and lionizing losers as if it means something. It’s a reason this party is getting a rep for being losers.

But by all means take the lesson for being wrong, again, to mean that you should triple down.

I hope you know that if Biden does pull this out, it was blind luck that a pandemic happened, because all this shows me is that if Trump didn’t have that and ran on a strong economy tonight would have been walk off.

One question. Seriously. How in the world would a super progressive candidate win in this electorate? Where would the states have turned? Labeling progressives socialists over and over and Fox News hosts saying Dems were too "radical" clearly worked in a lot of cases. How would an actual progressive have gotten any closer? When they couldn't even get people to show in the primaries when Bernie was looking like a superstar?

I voted for Bernie in the primaries. Because Biden was looking weak pre SC. Bernie didn't deliver his coalition.

[KNIGHT OF THE LAKE]

It could obviously go either way, but given how basically every freakin' national poll was hilariously/distressingly off, I can't help but think it'll play out similarly with the outstanding votes. Sure, everyone's expecting for the gap to shorten in the Dems' favor, but will it be enough to flip enough of the swing states in which Trump currently has a lead?

For the Senate they were off. A bunch of states tightened. Florida was tight, Texas was tight, Ohio was tight, South Carolina was tight. It once again came down to Trump over performing in states that showed him close.

What we have no is a situation where Wisconsin, Michigan, Pennsylvania, and North Carolina are the deciders.

Most data suggest Biden will win Wisconsin and Michigan. But either way he HAS to win those two and then take one of Pennsylvania or a North Carolina. Or he can just take Pennsylvania and he needs to snag Nevada.

[KNIGHT OF THE LAKE]

One question. Seriously. How in the world would a super progressive candidate win in this electorate? Where would the states have turned? Labeling progressives socialists over and over and Fox News hosts saying Dems were too "radical" clearly worked in a lot of cases. How would an actual progressive have gotten any closer? When they couldn't even get people to show in the primaries when Bernie was looking like a superstar?

I voted for Bernie in the primaries. Because Biden was looking weak pre SC. Bernie didn't deliver his coalition.

They poll much better in the rust belt which is crucial. You basically have to write off the south for places where those sensibilities are more favorable. The biggest thing is, even on Fox’s pills tonight.. progressive policies are popular. Bernie or Warren could run off them. Biden couldn’t be promised conservative southerners he wouldn’t. Also not having a platform hurt Biden

[numberthirty]

One question. Seriously. How in the world would a super progressive candidate win in this electorate? Where would the states have turned? Labeling progressives socialists over and over and Fox News hosts saying Dems were too "radical" clearly worked in a lot of cases. How would an actual progressive have gotten any closer? When they couldn't even get people to show in the primaries when Bernie was looking like a superstar?

I voted for Bernie in the primaries. Because Biden was looking weak pre SC. Bernie didn't deliver his coalition.

"Basics 101...":

Those folks that The Democratic Party work really, really, really hard to keep out of taking part in their primary process?

They get to vote in a General Election.

[kidfresh512]

"Basics 101...":

Those folks that The Democratic Party work really, really, really hard to keep out of taking part in their primary process?

They get to vote in a General Election.

Where are they? How did the Democratic party "keep them out?". Always talk of some invisible army and Democratic party conspiracy theory. Bernie was the clear favorite and he needed that invisible army. Somehow the DNC "kept them out", didnt allow them to come vote for Bernie?

[WestPhillyPunisher]

I hope you know that if Biden does pull this out, it was blind luck that a pandemic happened, because all this shows me is that if Trump didn’t have that and ran on a strong economy tonight would have been walk off.

Everyone, including me, knew Trump would've romped in a reelection on the strength of the economy, no matter who the Dems ran. And yet, Trump screwed himself over with his hamfisted response to the virus and the pandemic that followed, putting that bid in jeopardy for no sane reason than perhaps some subconscious need for self-flagellation, or the all too obvious fact he's a flaming moron. Not exactly a stellar character trait I want in a president.

[SUPERECWFAN1]

Now Trump has himself in a harder spot. And even his Trump cult can't save him from. He has to battle Covid which he's failing , trying to justify taking millions of peoples healthcare away during it , and fighting a recession with plans many have said are disaster. In all , he could be the moron who leads us into a 2nd Great Depression and his supporters will have to live with that one.

[KNIGHT OF THE LAKE]

Now Trump has himself in a harder spot. And even his Trump cult can't save him from. He has to battle Covid which he's failing , trying to justify taking millions of peoples healthcare away during it , and fighting a recession with plans many have said are disaster. In all , he could be the moron who leads us into a 2nd Great Depression and his supporters will have to live with that one.

Who cares? He doesn’t need to win an election again. He doesn’t care. If he wins, he’s a glorified lame duck. He’ll sit around stacking courts and doing the usual.

[Gray Lensman]

For the Senate they were off. A bunch of states tightened. Florida was tight, Texas was tight, Ohio was tight, South Carolina was tight. It once again came down to Trump over performing in states that showed him close.

What we have no is a situation where Wisconsin, Michigan, Pennsylvania, and North Carolina are the deciders.

Most data suggest Biden will win Wisconsin and Michigan. But either way he HAS to win those two and then take one of Pennsylvania or a North Carolina. Or he can just take Pennsylvania and he needs to snag Nevada.

In Nevada the uncounted votes are almost entirely from Clark and Washoe counties - that's Las Vegas and Reno for people not familiar with the state. Nevada may be officially undecided yet, but it's a safe bet to call it blue this time around.

[Steel Inquisitor]

1. Pretty much every progressive on here told you this would happen. You guys were the ones saying Biden was the “safe choice” when we were screaming that he wasn’t just like we did with Hillary 4 years ago. This is crazy circle logic.

2. I don’t really want to here about how black people in the south are some saviors for the party when they’ve never been able to win a general for us but then spend all primary driving the party right. They don’t have the votes. Biden wasn’t the safe pick everyone claimed and that all of us saying, “hey Biden has issues with his record, hey there isn’t enthusiasm for Biden” had a point You will never find a more moderate Dem again to run. In fact, so far this year, black people improved for Trump. So not only did he not win Florida like he was supposed to and was a big selling point, not only did none of the states that gave him momentum and a safety net in the primary do a single thing for him, the voting block everyone claimed was going to be all in on him actually wasn’t. And once again this whole thing is down on the Midwest.

Oh and one last thing... Stacy Abrams lost. She didn’t win. I’m sick of this party making excuses for and lionizing losers as if it means something. It’s a reason this party is getting a rep for being losers.

But by all means take the lesson for being wrong, again, to mean that you should triple down.

I hope you know that if Biden does pull this out, it was blind luck that a pandemic happened, because all this shows me is that if Trump didn’t have that and ran on a strong economy tonight would have been walk off.

1) Biden was the safe choice, and remains to be. And this isn't over yet, this could take weeks until we get all the votes. Who was saying he wasn't like Hillary, receipts please? The argument was that Biden was safer than Bernie, not a personal guarantee they won't lose. No politician can guarantee that, including Bernie. Who proceeded to lose to both Biden and Hillary. This argument appears more of an attack on Biden rather than a defense than Bernie would have won this had he been the nominee. Which is telling.

2) Black Southern voters are a vital portion of the Democratic electorate every president needs in their corner in the primaries and the presidential. Something Bernie alienated twice in the primaries to his detriment. The Black vote is a massively important voting bloc within the party itself. Who is this "everyone"? I'd like to see names and quotes otherwise it's just "some people say" Trump says to bolster his arguments with nothing of substance. Let's stop right there, we both know we'd be doing this no matter who won the primaries that wasn't Bernie. It's true Biden didn't do well in Florida and the Black vote shifted away to an extent, but this implies they would both fall in lie with the candidate who got in trouble for signal boosting Fidel Castro as well as the fact he had many, many problems alienating the Black vote like dissing Obama on MLK day in a Black church

https://www.salon.com/2018/04/06/ber...ma-supporters/

and did not attend the anniversary of Bloody Sunday in Selma, a move so tone deaf Bloomberg got it right. Bloomberg.

https://www.theatlantic.com/politics...voters/607789/

Sanders has been criticized in recent weeks for skipping events where he might have had the opportunity to engage with more southern black voters. He did not attend the Bloody Sunday march in Selma after losing to Biden in the South Carolina primary, and canceled a rally in Jackson—where he was expected to appear with Lumumba—in order to campaign in the vital primary state of Michigan. (“I can’t imagine the demands of a national campaign,” Lumumba told me, and Sanders is not a stranger to the city, having held events there in the past, “so we understand.”)

Stacy Abrams is a Leftist politician, she came up as a politician backed by Our Revolution. How did she lose? Because she was running against a Republican politician who stole her election and got away with it. I guess it isn't just Democrats who will be derided for being weak when they are victims of being outwitted by Republicans, but Republicans who win by stealing elections will be implied to be winners who did nothing wrong.

And why is losing bad? The paragraphs above heavily imply the man who lost to Hillary and Trump is the "winner" we need.

How has the economy been strong under Trump?