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    Issue 6 of Dead Planet out next week, thought I'd at least share Wallace among the hive mind trying to create the anti-life cure. For context, Cyborg has the life equation inside of him but he doesn't know how to turn it into an effective cure so the smartest mind are putting their heads together to figure it out.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sifighter View Post
    Issue 6 of Dead Planet out next week, thought I'd at least share Wallace among the hive mind trying to create the anti-life cure. For context, Cyborg has the life equation inside of him but he doesn't know how to turn it into an effective cure so the smartest mind are putting their heads together to figure it out.

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    I see he's still looking out of place with the Kid Flash gettup.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sifighter View Post
    Issue 6 of Dead Planet out next week, thought I'd at least share Wallace among the hive mind trying to create the anti-life cure. For context, Cyborg has the life equation inside of him but he doesn't know how to turn it into an effective cure so the smartest mind are putting their heads together to figure it out.

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    ...Why is Harley there? I guess she's not dumb because she's a doctor and licensed and all that jazz, but still...Harley!?

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    Eh, in the main universe she's actually kind of a bat ally now (Punchline has replaced her in the rogues gallery), she's an anti-hero, so it makes sense that the same is true in DCeased.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Frontier View Post
    ...Why is Harley there? I guess she's not dumb because she's a doctor and licensed and all that jazz, but still...Harley!?
    I think they are just the smartest ones left alive/have in hand, and writers more and more have been playing at the idea that Harley is/was an above average to highly gifted psychology specialist; it's a little odd but hey "Fourth Pillar" and all that. I look at it like "BatGod" and Spider-Man's sliding power-scale, popular so all their skills are peak and then some if need be. nature of the beast I guess ((shrugs))
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    Quote Originally Posted by Digifiend View Post
    Eh, in the main universe she's actually kind of a bat ally now (Punchline has replaced her in the rogues gallery), she's an anti-hero, so it makes sense that the same is true in DCeased.
    Quote Originally Posted by lemonpeace View Post
    I think they are just the smartest ones left alive/have in hand, and writers more and more have been playing at the idea that Harley is/was an above average to highly gifted psychology specialist; it's a little odd but hey "Fourth Pillar" and all that. I look at it like "BatGod" and Spider-Man's sliding power-scale, popular so all their skills are peak and then some if need be. nature of the beast I guess ((shrugs))
    Probably the simplest answer is Tom Taylor is a Harley stan, but whatever works .

    This reminds me that Wallace used to seem into engineering or motor-works around his debut, but I don't recall that being a factor in his character much nowadays.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Frontier View Post
    Probably the simplest answer is Tom Taylor is a Harley stan, but whatever works .

    This reminds me that Wallace used to seem into engineering or motor-works around his debut, but I don't recall that being a factor in his character much nowadays.
    to be fair to Tom Taylor, it's no more or less egregious than the same fan-isms that led to BatGod and Peter's sliding power scale, is may point. I mean, it was Grant Morrison stanning Batman that created BatGod and Geoff Johns made him a literal god; like I said nature of the beast.

    they never pay the mechanical engineering quirk much beyond the odd panel here and there of him working on a bike or a car. last one I remember was was around Flash War when Barry, Wallace and the others fought the Renagades.
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    Quote Originally Posted by lemonpeace View Post
    to be fair to Tom Taylor, it's no more or less egregious than the same fan-isms that led to BatGod and Peter's sliding power scale, is may point. I mean, it was Grant Morrison stanning Batman that created BatGod and Geoff Johns made him a literal god; like I said nature of the beast.
    I don't think that was so much Morrison stanning so much as what Morrison felt was the natural conclusion to a normal human like Batman being on the Justice League. Johns wrote him as being a very bad god, too .
    they never pay the mechanical engineering quirk much beyond the odd panel here and there of him working on a bike or a car. last one I remember was was around Flash War when Barry, Wallace and the others fought the Renagades.
    Be interesting to see it come back and play into how he operates as Kid Flash.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Frontier View Post
    I don't think that was so much Morrison stanning so much as what Morrison felt was the natural conclusion to a normal human like Batman being on the Justice League. Johns wrote him as being a very bad god, too .

    Be interesting to see it come back and play into how he operates as Kid Flash.
    Omega beams disintergrate everyone...except Batman, he gets a super convoluted other thing where he gets to go on a "rad" time-travel side-quest, that's not exactly a "natural conclusion" if you ask me. I know people hesitate to call out Morrison but dude's Batman was at least 50% Morrison stanning through narrative. I didn't read Geoff Johns' literal BatGod, so maybe there is more nuance I'm missing (doubtful) but I did read his GL which (while well-crafted and iconic) was one of the most egregious fan-boy writing in comic book history. dude was stanning so hard, he retconned this man Hal's AGE away and then reshaped the Green Lantern mythos to absolve him of all sins. Then there is Doomsday Clock, where the entire thesis boiled down to "Superman is great. the Watchmen were messed up because they didn't have a Superman" and that reality (technically all of fiction) literally resolves around Superman.

    I'm just saying, you may not like Tom Taylor's use of characters but you can't say it's something his peers (especially the Big Names) haven't or don't do as, if not more, egregiously. Comic writers are fanboys, no one is just writing these for the money, it's just how it is. I just don't think his Harley is as distracting as a lot of other writers "pets".
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    Quote Originally Posted by lemonpeace View Post
    Omega beams disintergrate everyone...except Batman, he gets a super convoluted other thing where he gets to go on a "rad" time-travel side-quest, that's not exactly a "natural conclusion" if you ask me. I know people hesitate to call out Morrison but dude's Batman was at least 50% Morrison stanning through narrative. I didn't read Geoff Johns' literal BatGod, so maybe there is more nuance I'm missing (doubtful) but I did read his GL which (while well-crafted and iconic) was one of the most egregious fan-boy writing in comic book history. dude was stanning so hard, he retconned this man Hal's AGE away and then reshaped the Green Lantern mythos to absolve him of all sins. Then there is Doomsday Clock, where the entire thesis boiled down to "Superman is great. the Watchmen were messed up because they didn't have a Superman" and that reality (technically all of fiction) literally resolves around Superman.

    I'm just saying, you may not like Tom Taylor's use of characters but you can't say it's something his peers (especially the Big Names) haven't or don't do as, if not more, egregiously. Comic writers are fanboys, no one is just writing these for the money, it's just how it is. I just don't think his Harley is as distracting as a lot of other writers "pets".
    Well, I was referring mostly to Batman within Morrison's Justice League run, but I feel like the Omega Beams thing is a completely separate thing. Maybe it was just Morrison stanning Batman but that type of storytelling is, to me, just how Morrison is where he gets all meta, convoluted, and archetypal .

    I never really looked at it like Johns retconning Hals' age so much as just making him look young again. He and the rest of the GL's other than Kyle are supposed to be peers in age anyways.

    I guess if I had to distinguish how I see Johns writing Hal versus Taylor writing Harley is that, even with Parallax, Johns still wrote Hal as flawed and self-critical of himself, which I don't really get the sense of when Taylor writes Harley. Granted, he's not the only one.

    I also had a different takeaway from the message of Doomsday Clock, but I guess at the end of the day it all depends on your perspective .

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    I liked Wallace during the Deathstroke arc, even though it ended badly for his character.
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    Quote Originally Posted by OopsIdiditagain View Post
    I liked Wallace during the Deathstroke arc, even though it ended badly for his character.
    Yeah, I think it was a good character building moment for him .

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    Not going to spoil anything, going to save that for the discussion thread, but Wallace plays a huge part in the anti-life cure and saving the world in DCeased today.
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    Quote Originally Posted by J. D. Guy View Post
    I see he's still looking out of place with the Kid Flash gettup.
    Yeah it's really weird how Jon, Damian, and Cassie all took on their mentor's mantle but when it came to Wallace, Taylor kind of just side stepped it. lol

    I guess since Wally survived the events the idea is he'll end up becoming the sole Flash again.
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    Is there any future/alternate universe story where Wallace becomes the main Flash as an adult?

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