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    Quote Originally Posted by Will Evans View Post
    What Avengers lack in prominent women, they make up in prominent PoC.

    One team before Secret Wars was Falcon, Luke Cage, Monica Rambeau, Blade, Power Man, White Tiger, Blue Marvel with just Doc Ock Spider-Man and She-Hulk as non-PoC.

    You couldn’t do the same with X-Men.
    Yes you could

    Storm, Bishop, Prodigy, Monet, Sunspot, Blink, Cecelia Reyes

    or something I proposed a while back

    Last edited by Havok83; 05-21-2020 at 05:57 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Havok83 View Post
    Yes you could

    Storm, Bishop, Prodigy, Monet, Sunspot, Blink, Cecelia Reyes

    or something I proposed a while back

    Your right. I misspoke.

    They could, but they never would.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Havok83 View Post
    Yes you could

    Storm, Bishop, Prodigy, Monet, Sunspot, Blink, Cecelia Reyes

    or something I proposed a while back

    Ah yes, true diversity. I can almost see the Japanese, Chinese, and Native American characters!

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    This was easier than I thought it would be.

    Team Mom - Storm
    Old Dad - Forge
    New Dad - Bishop
    Crazy Uncle - Wolverine (token whitie)
    New Dad's Bestie - Neal Shaara
    Estranged Auntie - Kwannon
    Gifted Kid - Taki Matsya
    City Cousin - Jubilee
    Country Cousin - Dust

    This could sell, no?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Will Evans View Post
    What Avengers lack in prominent women, they make up in prominent PoC.

    One team before Secret Wars was Falcon, Luke Cage, Monica Rambeau, Blade, Power Man, White Tiger, Blue Marvel with just Doc Ock Spider-Man and She-Hulk as non-PoC.

    You couldn’t do the same with X-Men.
    There are quite a bit of PoC in the X-Universe. The problem is that most writers don't know how to write them in any meaningful way. Storm has gotten the most development obviously, but most others have gotten pretty clichéd back stories. Examples like Cecilia throwing out a "madre de dios" and the whole Kwannon/ninja Betsy debacle.

    Here's a list I made up:

    Mainstream X-peeps - Storm, Sunfire, Thunderbird/Warpath, Forge, Sunspot, Dani Moonstar, Karma, Rictor, Kwannon, Jubilee, Bishop, Monet, Synch, Skin

    Junior X-Men - Armor, Angel Salvatore, Dust, Gentle, Surge, Prodigy, Indra

    Periphery characters - Gateway, Frenzy, Threnody, Cecilia Reyes, Maggot, Thunderbird (Neal Shaara), Karima Shapandar, Darwin, Sway, Bedlam

    Other mutants - Daken, Shaman, Cloak, Manifold, Nico Minoru

    Human allies - Stevie Hunter, Yukio, Charlotte Jones


    Someone make up a team and pitch it to us!

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    Quote Originally Posted by houndsofluv View Post
    why can't these interesting, complex and powerful women dominate a lineup because of their skills, their prowess? Why can they not be there because, quite simply, they are best-suited for the mission at hand? The best there is at what they do, if you will, lol. This is when the best work will come to fruition, the best developments, and it will thrive because its what we really want to see: the merits of these characters, the merits that we can see just fine, reflected in the work.

    We don't like these characters solely because of their womanhood - this is but one aspect of their fictional beings- so why should we be pleased when this is the single aspect of these characters that is fixated upon in the work that highlights them ?
    This, absolutely. What I pretty much appreciated about Claremont's work (besides the fact that he created and used a whole bunch of female characters, mutants or not) was that he wrote them as persons: being a woman was irrelevant to the plot, except when it was applicable because of a justifiable reason. That's what I want about women in comics.

    Quote Originally Posted by Veitha View Post
    So I recently read X-Women with the art by Milo Manara and I was wondering... What's the general thought on that? Because it was awful for me. Such a nice team and art for a fanfiction-y story.
    Fanservice. I bought it because I love CC, I love Manara and I love X-Women, but the story was pretty foolish and there was scenes almost offensive as Ororo running away from a lustful pretender. The one thing I liked was that the girls had their powers blocked, so they must manage by themselves. That and their civilian clothes.

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    What can the Avengers women do to be on par with the X-women?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Will Evans View Post
    What can the Avengers women do to be on par with the X-women?
    Is this about skills or power? They're fairly equal, despite being lesser known but that's because X-men got more popular first. The Avengers didn't get a good cartoon until 2013.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ricochet Rita View Post
    This, absolutely. What I pretty much appreciated about Claremont's work (besides the fact that he created and used a whole bunch of female characters, mutants or not) was that he wrote them as persons: being a woman was irrelevant to the plot, except when it was applicable because of a justifiable reason. That's what I want about women in comics.



    Fanservice. I bought it because I love CC, I love Manara and I love X-Women, but the story was pretty foolish and there was scenes almost offensive as Ororo running away from a lustful pretender. The one thing I liked was that the girls had their powers blocked, so they must manage by themselves. That and their civilian clothes.
    That one left me like wtf is going on here.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Electricmastro View Post
    Ah yes, true diversity. I can almost see the Japanese, Chinese, and Native American characters!
    This reminds me that the Avengers really do need to up their diversity game.

    There are multiple native american mutants, like Moonstar, Thunderbird, Warpath and Forge, and I don't remember if the Avengers have had even one (was Red Wolf an Avenger for a hot second?). Multiple asian mutants (Sunfire, Xorn, Sway, Karma, Kwannon, Surge, Armor, Wiz Kid, Nature Girl, Sprite, Trinary, Dust, Thunderbird III, etc.), and, for Avengers, I think Mantis, and Shang-Chi, again, for a hot second?

    But anywho, back to the topic, an Avengers team of ladies with characters like Sersi, Crystal, Moondragon, Mantis, Smasher, Captain Universe, She-Hulk and Monica Rambeau on it would rock all the houses, since those respective ladies are crazy powerful. More street-level folk like Mockingbird, Black Widow and White Tiger are also fun, as are mid-tier peeps like Jocasta, Wasp and Tigra.

    It's kind of an embarrassment of riches, how many great women there are to pick from, and kind of annoying that so many Avengers lineups have just one or two women, on a five to seven person team!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sutekh View Post
    This reminds me that the Avengers really do need to up their diversity game.

    There are multiple native american mutants, like Moonstar, Thunderbird, Warpath and Forge, and I don't remember if the Avengers have had even one (was Red Wolf an Avenger for a hot second?). Multiple asian mutants (Sunfire, Xorn, Sway, Karma, Kwannon, Surge, Armor, Wiz Kid, Nature Girl, Sprite, Trinary, Dust, Thunderbird III, etc.), and, for Avengers, I think Mantis, and Shang-Chi, again, for a hot second?

    But anywho, back to the topic, an Avengers team of ladies with characters like Sersi, Crystal, Moondragon, Mantis, Smasher, Captain Universe, She-Hulk and Monica Rambeau on it would rock all the houses, since those respective ladies are crazy powerful. More street-level folk like Mockingbird, Black Widow and White Tiger are also fun, as are mid-tier peeps like Jocasta, Wasp and Tigra.

    It's kind of an embarrassment of riches, how many great women there are to pick from, and kind of annoying that so many Avengers lineups have just one or two women, on a five to seven person team!
    I get the feeling that many of the Native American and Asian mutants and characters in general get pushed aside out of focusing more on Storm, whom I’m sure Marvel feels is popular to the point that they can always go to her whenever someone complains about teams not having diverse representatives whenever newer characters end up falling short of their popularity. She was even made part of the Earth-616 Avengers for a time (Avengers #20, February 2012).

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    I'm pretty sure Claudine Renko counts.

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    another virtual doll experiment.

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    A picture would last longer darling...

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    Quote Originally Posted by marhawkman View Post
    I'm pretty sure Claudine Renko counts.
    Mister Sinister is Orochimaru.
    I've seen your end and it starts with you challenging me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Havok83 View Post
    Yes you could

    Storm, Bishop, Prodigy, Monet, Sunspot, Blink, Cecelia Reyes

    or something I proposed a while back

    Oh I love this.. Can we add Tempo and Oya ..I would buy and read this cover to cover.

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