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    Quote Originally Posted by marhawkman View Post
    I'm pretty sure Claudine Renko counts.
    I really, REALLY DESPISE how recent books have handled Claudine.

    In Daken: Dark Wolverine and X-23 she was ultimately a tragic figure. Claudine was just some random woman that Sinister grabbed off the streets and forcibly turned into one of his experiments. She was a VICTIM, and an unwilling pawn in his attempts to resurrect himself after Messiah Complex. Her entire motivation in both stories was to find a way to prevent his consciousness from taking over her body and forcibly converting it into his, which would, you know, KILL HER. She's basically just trying to SURVIVE and keep her own mind and body where it belongs, and is acting out of desperation (especially after her encounter with Daken leaves her even more vulnerable to Sinister's control). It doesn't excuse or justify her actions, but WHY she's doing it is at least is sympathetic and understandable.

    Ever since she resurfaced in X-Men Blue she's just been treated like Essex with tits, gleefully embracing his entire Card Carrying Evil Mad Scientist Just Because I Can shtick.
    Still hoping for that Helix Reunion...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ambaryerno View Post
    I really, REALLY DESPISE how recent books have handled Claudine.

    In Daken: Dark Wolverine and X-23 she was ultimately a tragic figure. Claudine was just some random woman that Sinister grabbed off the streets and forcibly turned into one of his experiments. She was a VICTIM, and an unwilling pawn in his attempts to resurrect himself after Messiah Complex. Her entire motivation in both stories was to find a way to prevent his consciousness from taking over her body and forcibly converting it into his, which would, you know, KILL HER. She's basically just trying to SURVIVE and keep her own mind and body where it belongs, and is acting out of desperation (especially after her encounter with Daken leaves her even more vulnerable to Sinister's control). It doesn't excuse or justify her actions, but WHY she's doing it is at least is sympathetic and understandable.

    Ever since she resurfaced in X-Men Blue she's just been treated like Essex with tits, gleefully embracing his entire Card Carrying Evil Mad Scientist Just Because I Can shtick.
    Well, Mothervine wasn't fully a bad thing though. The fact she tinkered with it to make everyone it empowered vulnerable to mind control was the only properly villainous part. But yeah, why did she bother with that?

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