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    I was wondering about Stallones role in GotG. He never did stuff like that, only one Sci-fi movie and that wasn't even Space sci-fi. He is certainly not about to make that list, but is unusual for him to do a movie like that.

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    Ooh, I forgot about Anthony Hopkins, as Odin. Gotta love that they've got multiple 'sirs' making superhero movies, between Sir Patrick Stewart, Sir Ian McKellan and Sir Anthony Hopkins!

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    While I do agree with Robert Redford I was also very surprised to see Garry Shandling play a serious role and he was perfectly cast in the role of Senator Stern in The Winter soldier.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Powerboy View Post
    LOL. Yeah but what's his name is just about the King of "I'll make an appearance in any movie they want to pay me for".
    Sir Anthony Hopkins, very mere presence elevates any scene he's in. The man could read a phone book while sitting on a golden throne & people would line up to see it.

    Quote Originally Posted by Sutekh View Post
    Ooh, I forgot about Anthony Hopkins, as Odin. Gotta love that they've got multiple 'sirs' making superhero movies, between Sir Patrick Stewart, Sir Ian McKellan and Sir Anthony Hopkins!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kieran_Frost View Post

    To my knowledge he wasn't bashing the movie publicly (I could be wrong?). But not bothering to learn your lines (when the b*tch didn't have that many) for a two-time Oscar winner, who was being paid SO MUCH to be there -- tells other actors and people in the industry EXACTLY what he thought of the role. It's like when actors say they didn't prepare anything when they went into a role. It's code, you know? The same way people have to drop out of projects due to "scheduling conflicts." .
    Otoh we have RDJ, SAM Neill, Jeff Bridges, etc. Intentionally not learning lines to makes conversation more spontaneous and real. No one seems to complain about that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Powerboy View Post
    Most of these, I'd agree with though I don't entirely get people wanting to leave out Brando and Hackman unless it's just a little too far back for some.
    I'll be completely honest. I forgot all about Superman: The Movie. And yes, Brando was definitely the original coup. Without Brando, the movie wouldn't even have been made. Even if he pitched he should just voice a bagel

    Quote Originally Posted by GOLGO 13 View Post
    Sir Anthony Hopkins, very mere presence elevates any scene he's in. The man could read a phone book while sitting on a golden throne & people would line up to see it.

    You are forgiven.
    That may be true, but at this point it feels like Hopkins is a lot like Jackson- he'll do a McDonald's opening for a paycheck.

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    By the time Redford came along, superhero movies were already established as legitimate. Redford was hardly at the top of his career and hed appeared in worse stuff than a superhero movie. If anything, being in a Marvel movie did more for Redford than he did for them.

    I like Nicholson as a choice. Definitely made being a villain a thing to do.

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    Quote Originally Posted by useridgoeshere View Post
    By the time Redford came along, superhero movies were already established as legitimate. Redford was hardly at the top of his career and he’d appeared in worse stuff than a superhero movie. If anything, being in a Marvel movie did more for Redford than he did for them.

    I like Nicholson as a choice. Definitely made being a villain a thing to do.
    I am genuinely interested in what you think Redford appeared in that was worse stuff than a superhero movie

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    Quote Originally Posted by DanMad1977 View Post
    I was wondering about Stallones role in GotG. He never did stuff like that, only one Sci-fi movie and that wasn't even Space sci-fi. He is certainly not about to make that list, but is unusual for him to do a movie like that.
    Again, Stallone, Hopkins, Stewart, McKellan, Redford... These guys did a superhero movie long after the idea of a major star doing such a movie was legitimized in the late '70s through the late '80s by Brando, Hackman, Nicholson and Keaton. Nobody even mentions DeVito, Tommy Lee Jones or Arnold (yes the movie was bad but he got a huge paycheck) and so on because even by the second Batman movie, a big star wasn't risking his career by doing a superhero movie. The ground had been broken.
    His name is CAPTAIN MARVEL.

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    Quote Originally Posted by useridgoeshere View Post
    By the time Redford came along, superhero movies were already established as legitimate. Redford was hardly at the top of his career and he’d appeared in worse stuff than a superhero movie. If anything, being in a Marvel movie did more for Redford than he did for them.

    I like Nicholson as a choice. Definitely made being a villain a thing to do.
    The thing with Redford is that Marvel didn't pursue him in hopes of adding a big name to one of their movies. HE called THEM up and asked if they had a roll for him.

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    Quote Originally Posted by useridgoeshere View Post
    By the time Redford came along, superhero movies were already established as legitimate. Redford was hardly at the top of his career and he’d appeared in worse stuff than a superhero movie. If anything, being in a Marvel movie did more for Redford than he did for them.
    There's something with the tone of this post that isn't rubbing me right. It kind of implies that Redford needed a career revival or was desperate, when really he was already close to retirement as one of Hollywood's all-time legends, has a nine-figure fortune, founded and owns the Sundance Film Festival, and could afford to be picky, choosing Winter Soldier only because he'd never been in a film like that before.

    It's really telling that since Winter Soldier, he focused primarily on production and then all but retired from live acting, only coming out of that retirement for a cameo in Endgame. Ever since the 70s, the guy has always had his choice of assignments (not just acting jobs), and he's also an Oscar winning director, too. Dude isn't hurting for money or exposure like he's a new film school grad. When someone like Redford calls up a studio asking for a role, you *give* him one.
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    Quote Originally Posted by useridgoeshere View Post
    By the time Redford came along, superhero movies were already established as legitimate. Redford was hardly at the top of his career and hed appeared in worse stuff than a superhero movie. If anything, being in a Marvel movie did more for Redford than he did for them.
    He was nominated for a Golden Globe for Best Actor literally the year before; as well as dozens of other awards for All Is Lost (2013). So I would disagree with this assessment.
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    Wow, didn't expect people to be quite so triggered by a subjective comment on Redford. Amusing. I stand by it 100%.

    The idea Redford changed anyone's perceptions of superhero movies in 2014 makes no sense to me, because I don't think the perception of them has really changed since 2014. By then, perceptions were pretty much entrenched. It might to you and that's fine. It sure didn't change Martin Scorsese's perception of them. Maybe actors like Cate Blanchett and Tilda Swinton jumped on because Redford had done one, but I doubt it.

    I can respect his career and status as an icon, while still being realistic at his 2012 status as an actor when he would've asked Marvel to be in a movie. When Nicholson did Batman, he was up for Oscars every couple of years. When Redford asked to be in a Marvel movie, it'd been a while (and you can't count All is Lost because its awards come after CA:WS was shot). Obviously the guy didn't need the work to eat, but it's inarguable that more people saw him in CA:WS than any movie he'd been in for more than a decade and that included a ton of people who'd never seen him in anything before. Other than All is Lost, which was a low budget, low box office project, I can't think of anything he did since 2000 that was more critically-acclaimed, award-nominated, culturally-influential or commercially-successful than the best superhero movies. Maybe I'm forgetting something amazing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by useridgoeshere View Post
    Wow, didn't expect people to be quite so triggered by a subjective comment on Redford. Amusing. I stand by it 100%.
    Is disagreeing with someone "triggered"? It's a discussion board... so let's discuss. You can stand by your thoughts on his career, but I'm going to assume you were unaware of his Golden Globe nomination and critical success with All Is Lost (2013). Would I be right in that guess?

    Quote Originally Posted by useridgoeshere View Post
    I can respect his career and status as an icon, while still being realistic at his 2012 status as an actor when he would've asked Marvel to be in a movie. When Nicholson did Batman, he was up for Oscars every couple of years. When Redford asked to be in a Marvel movie, it'd been a while (and you can't count All is Lost because its awards come after CA:WS was shot).
    Well if we're playing the timeline game, he accepted the role in All Is Lost in 2011 and had done principle photography by summer 2012; and didn't confirm casting till March 2013 for Captain America: the Winter Soldier (2014). The industry talks, they know who's shot great work, and who's about to be considered a serious contender for award season.

    The reason others might be ranking Redford so high (and to be clear, I don't think his inclusion is comparable to Jack Nicholson) is his iconic status as a serious actor. Or they just never thought he'd do a superhero film, which is seen as less laudable work? I don't agree with that assumption Redford isn't up for doing fun films.

    Quote Originally Posted by useridgoeshere View Post
    Obviously the guy didn't need the work to eat, but it's inarguable that more people saw him in CA:WS than any movie he'd been in for more than a decade and that included a ton of people who'd never seen him in anything before.
    While some kids remain uneducated in anything of cinema made before 2000, does that matter in a film discussion? If someone hasn't seen a single Redford film, I don't think their opinion on film has too much merit. Is that too harsh?
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    Quote Originally Posted by useridgoeshere View Post
    Wow, didn't expect people to be quite so triggered by a subjective comment on Redford. Amusing. I stand by it 100%.

    The idea Redford changed anyone's perceptions of superhero movies in 2014 makes no sense to me, because I don't think the perception of them has really changed since 2014. By then, perceptions were pretty much entrenched. It might to you and that's fine. It sure didn't change Martin Scorsese's perception of them. Maybe actors like Cate Blanchett and Tilda Swinton jumped on because Redford had done one, but I doubt it.

    I can respect his career and status as an icon, while still being realistic at his 2012 status as an actor when he would've asked Marvel to be in a movie. When Nicholson did Batman, he was up for Oscars every couple of years. When Redford asked to be in a Marvel movie, it'd been a while (and you can't count All is Lost because its awards come after CA:WS was shot). Obviously the guy didn't need the work to eat, but it's inarguable that more people saw him in CA:WS than any movie he'd been in for more than a decade and that included a ton of people who'd never seen him in anything before. Other than All is Lost, which was a low budget, low box office project, I can't think of anything he did since 2000 that was more critically-acclaimed, award-nominated, culturally-influential or commercially-successful than the best superhero movies. Maybe I'm forgetting something amazing.
    I agree totally that Redford was not a coo because he asked them and because getting big name actors in a superhero movie is no big deal anymore. Superhero movies are the star right now and even big name actors want to be in them.

    However, Redford was asked why he wanted to be in an MCU movie and the interviewer, in my opinion was asking in a tone of voice that implied, "Why would you lower yourself like this?" He very matter-of-factly said that he's always had a fascination with the technical side, the special effects, and wanted to experience this new CGI form of movie-making for himself. The other reason was that, whenever he visits his grand-kids and asks if they've seen his most recent movie or the one before that or his movies from when he was young, the answer is, "Well, no, grandpa, but we're gonna watch them any day now". To which his response is, "Yeah, of course you are". So he wanted to do something he could sit and watch with his grand-kids without forcing them to watch movies they don't want to watch. He also said he respected what the MCU has accomplished in that they had a vision of a series of interconnected movies with different characters and characters going back and forth in a shared world, something that has never been done on this scale before and that's pretty much his interest in the MCU.
    His name is CAPTAIN MARVEL.

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