Page 1 of 5 12345 LastLast
Results 1 to 15 of 74
  1. #1
    Amazing Member
    Join Date
    May 2019
    Posts
    49

    Lightbulb Between One More Day and Gwen Stacy's affair with Osborn, which one is worse?

    Hi guys

    For as long as I can remember, I've heard people say that "One More Day" is one of the worst, if not the worst, Spider-man stories. But I tend to have a different opinion. Sure, "One More Day" was strange and there were other ways to make people forget that Peter is Spider-man. But to me I believe that what it was, a really strange story that could have had a better execution, the worst Spider-man story in my opinion is when it was reviled that Gwen Stacy had an affair with Norman Osborne before her death.

    It made little to no sense, it put a hole in Peter and Gwen's relationship it, and it transformed Gwen's death from an incident that was important to Spider-man life and made his rivalry with the Green Goblin more personal into Norman's way to get rid of the child that Gwen was pregnant with.

    What do you guys think?
    Last edited by Mr_E_88; 05-13-2020 at 11:53 AM.

  2. #2
    Incredible Member
    Join Date
    Feb 2019
    Posts
    504

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by Mr_E_88 View Post
    Hi guys

    For as long as I can remember, I've heard people say that "One More Day" is one of the worst, if not the worst, Spider-man stories. But I tend to have a different opinion. Sure, "One More Day" was strange and there were other ways to make people forget that Peter is Spider-man. But to me I believe that what it was, a really strange story that could have had a better execution, the worst Spider-man story in my opinion is when it was reviled that Gwen Stacy had an affair with Norman Osborne before her death.

    It made little to no sense, it put a hole in Peter and Gwen's relationship it, and it transformed Gwen's death from an incident that was important to Spider-man life and made his rivalry with the Green Goblin more personal into Norman's way to get rid of the child that Gwen was pregnant with.


    What do you guys think?
    I put OMD/ BND as my most despised story. Why? Not only do I give it a grade of zero ( F is too good), but it set up everything after it under Slott except Spider-Island and Renew Your Vows gets a C at best. Sums Past is just one story that gets an F.

  3. #3
    Fantastic Member
    Join Date
    Dec 2014
    Posts
    332

    Default

    Sins Past is a story that can be skipped/ignored. OMD can't. Especially if you read through the comics sequentially. Not only did it break 20 years of Spider-man continuity, but it remains the elephant in the room 13 years later. So, for me, OMD is worse.

  4. #4
    Ultimate Member Mister Mets's Avatar
    Join Date
    Apr 2014
    Posts
    12,244

    Default

    I'd go with Sins Past.

    I've written this before, but Sins Past had a premise that was pretty much unworkable (Peter Parker encounters the children of Gwen Stacy and Norman Osborn, who appear to be adults due to medical disorder.) They're said to have a variation of progeria, which is messed up as progeria is a real disease and those who have it rarely live past thirteen. It has the advantage of lasting a total of six issues, ten if you include Sins Remembered.

    One More Day had a defensible purpose, as they wanted a particular status quo change in a particular way, and some good moments, but it got to the change in a flawed way (The revelation that Peter & MJ had a rare once in a millennium in the entire universe love undercuts the other pairings in the Marvel Universe.)

    One More Day was flawed, but Sins Past is worse.
    Sincerely,
    Thomas Mets

  5. #5
    Formerly Assassin Spider Huntsman Spider's Avatar
    Join Date
    May 2014
    Location
    New Jersey, U.S.A.
    Posts
    8,804

    Default

    They're both fruit from the poisoned tree of the pathological phobia of certain individuals at Marvel of letting Peter Parker mature and grow in any meaningful way. Sins Past wouldn't have happened the way it did if Joe Quesada hadn't jumped in to tell J. Michael Straczynski that Gwen's kids couldn't be fathered by Peter because it would "age him too much" to have him as a father. Similarly, One More Day happened because Quesada believed Peter even being married was a mistake and also "aged him too much" to be relatable, much less appealing, to younger readers. I would say One More Day was even worse, because as bad as Sins Past was, at least it didn't require calling on the in-universe equivalent of the Devil for a literal Faustian bargain to fulfill the goal of retroactively annulling Spider-Man's marriage.
    The spider is always on the hunt.

  6. #6
    Amazing Member
    Join Date
    May 2019
    Posts
    49

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by Huntsman Spider View Post
    They're both fruit from the poisoned tree of the pathological phobia of certain individuals at Marvel of letting Peter Parker mature and grow in any meaningful way. Sins Past wouldn't have happened the way it did if Joe Quesada hadn't jumped in to tell J. Michael Straczynski that Gwen's kids couldn't be fathered by Peter because it would "age him too much" to have him as a father. Similarly, One More Day happened because Quesada believed Peter even being married was a mistake and also "aged him too much" to be relatable, much less appealing, to younger readers. I would say One More Day was even worse, because as bad as Sins Past was, at least it didn't require calling on the in-universe equivalent of the Devil for a literal Faustian bargain to fulfill the goal of retroactively annulling Spider-Man's marriage.
    But Parker is a relatable character. He has relationships and break-ups, a job that needs to put food on his table, and a family member that he takes care of. He is a representation of a working class citizen who tries to balance his life and responsibilities as a hero. He is a human being first and a superhero second.

    If they went with the idea that he should father Gwen's kids then that would have been more relatable.

    I'm interested to hear your thoughts as well as others regarding this topic.

  7. #7
    Spectacular Member
    Join Date
    May 2020
    Posts
    109

    Default

    On a technical level, Sins Past is well-written. It's not a bad read if you can just get past the flashbacks.

    OMD is straight-up bad.

  8. #8
    Formerly Assassin Spider Huntsman Spider's Avatar
    Join Date
    May 2014
    Location
    New Jersey, U.S.A.
    Posts
    8,804

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by Mr_E_88 View Post
    But Parker is a relatable character. He has relationships and break-ups, a job that needs to put food on his table, and a family member that he takes care of. He is a representation of a working class citizen who tries to balance his life and responsibilities as a hero. He is a human being first and a superhero second.

    If they went with the idea that he should father Gwen's kids then that would have been more relatable.

    I'm interested to hear your thoughts as well as others regarding this topic.
    Yeah, I can agree with that. He is a relatable character, but there's some disconnect between the fans and (some) creatives and/or editorial about what makes him relatable in the first place.
    The spider is always on the hunt.

  9. #9
    Incredible Member xpyred's Avatar
    Join Date
    May 2014
    Posts
    557

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by Huntsman Spider View Post
    Similarly, One More Day happened because Quesada believed Peter even being married was a mistake and also "aged him too much" to be relatable, much less appealing, to younger readers.
    Which is still the dumbest load of crap i have ever heard - especially by towards standards.

    Take a look at Instagram. You have a load of "influencers" who range from average to great to extremely freaking hot. A lot of those women have average looking boyfriends and children at ages that range from 18-30. A lot of them are super famous and some of them are just there.

    Let me take it even further. I live in Rego Park/Forest Hills Queens. The area I live in has a huge demographic of Georgian Jews and Bukharian Jews (from Uzbekistan.) 95% of the people I went to school with graduated high school by the age of 16-18, went on to college, got married and had children by the time they were 22-25 years of age. So Quesada's reasoning is just the dumbest thing i have ever heard.

  10. #10
    Mighty Member Mike's Avatar
    Join Date
    Apr 2014
    Location
    Ohio
    Posts
    1,186

    Default

    Sins Past has to the worst comic book story I ever had the displeasure of reading.

  11. #11
    Better than YOU! Alan2099's Avatar
    Join Date
    Apr 2014
    Posts
    3,771

    Default

    One More day had a purpose. While you might not like all the beats of the story or how it played it, the characters actions at least made some sense and set up future story potential.

    Nothing in Sins Past made sense and even IF JMS had done it the way he said he wanted to it STILL wouldn't have made any reason sense or worked as a story.

  12. #12

    Default

    To me "Sins Past" are one of those stories writers make to destroy a character.
    It adds nothing to the story of the character.
    The writer is saying "please hate this character".
    Last edited by destinyascension; 05-13-2020 at 10:13 PM.

  13. #13
    Radioactive! Spiderfang's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jan 2017
    Location
    New York-94
    Posts
    518

    Default

    The whole "bargain with the devil" One More Day story was so unbelievably stupid, like why not get them divorced -- have MJ move out of state for a while and focus on single Peter. One More Day was just a way of overcomplicating, what should have been a simple thing all because editorial didn't want Peter's "golden boy" image tarnished with a divorce on his record. With that said, Sins Past was something that just didn't need to happen. Period.
    The city I once knew as home is teetering on the edge of radioactive oblivion

  14. #14
    Extraordinary Member Celgress's Avatar
    Join Date
    May 2014
    Posts
    7,567

    Angry

    Both are equally atrocious, if for different reasons. Sins Past attempted to posthumously character assassinate Gwen Stacy for no obvious purpose. But at least Sins Past didn't make everyone in the Marvel Universe look incompetent and useless (c'mon they can't save one old woman who was shot, please) so Mephisto could "save the day". OMD is bad contrived writing 101. OMD is a glaring example of plot armor at it's illogical worst. Everyone involved should be ashamed of themselves for publishing such a pothole-ridden "story" regardless of their "good" intentions. IMO (and I'm far from alone many, many, many other fans & critics share my view), Big Joe's legacy has been forever tarnished because of OMD, which is sad given his body of work.
    Last edited by Celgress; 05-13-2020 at 08:41 PM.
    "So you've come to the end now alive but dead inside."

  15. #15
    Formerly Assassin Spider Huntsman Spider's Avatar
    Join Date
    May 2014
    Location
    New Jersey, U.S.A.
    Posts
    8,804

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by xpyred View Post
    Which is still the dumbest load of crap i have ever heard - especially by towards standards.

    Take a look at Instagram. You have a load of "influencers" who range from average to great to extremely freaking hot. A lot of those women have average looking boyfriends and children at ages that range from 18-30. A lot of them are super famous and some of them are just there.

    Let me take it even further. I live in Rego Park/Forest Hills Queens. The area I live in has a huge demographic of Georgian Jews and Bukharian Jews (from Uzbekistan.) 95% of the people I went to school with graduated high school by the age of 16-18, went on to college, got married and had children by the time they were 22-25 years of age. So Quesada's reasoning is just the dumbest thing i have ever heard.
    Yeah, definitely agreed there.

    Quote Originally Posted by Celgress View Post
    Both are equally atrocious, if for different reasons. But at least Sins Past didn't make everyone in the Marvel Universe look incompetent and useless (c'mon they can't save one old woman who was shot, please) so Mephisto could "save the day". OMD is bad contrived writing 101. OMD is a glaring example of plot armor at it's illogical worst. Everyone involved should be ashamed of themselves for publishing such a pothole-ridden "story" regardless of their "good" intentions. IMO, Big Joe's legacy has been forever tarnished because of OMD, which is sad given his body of work.
    Exactly.

    Quote Originally Posted by Spiderfang View Post
    The whole "bargain with the devil" One More Day story was so unbelievably stupid, like why not get them divorced -- have MJ move out of state for a while and focus on single Peter. One More Day was just a way of overcomplicating, what should have been a simple thing all because editorial didn't want Peter's "golden boy" image tarnished with a divorce on his record. With that said, Sins Past was something that just didn't need to happen. Period.
    That's even more stupid, as Peter having a divorce is something that happens to real people all the time. Hell, they could have just said that the stress and tension of Civil War was what did it, and had Peter "break MJ's heart to save her from being a target of his enemies" or something like that.
    The spider is always on the hunt.

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •