View Poll Results: What’s your final prognosis of Rey’s parentage and the Skywalkers?

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  • Rey should have been introduced as a Skywalker in TFA, but afterwards would have been too late.

    3 8.82%
  • Rey should have been revealed as a Skywalker in TLJ, but not afterward.

    6 17.65%
  • Rey could have been retconned into a Skywalker even in TROS, even at the cost of discounting TLJ.

    6 17.65%
  • Rey Random was always the best idea for the character in the end.

    16 47.06%
  • Rey’s story in TROS regarding her parentage and the Skywalkers was good enough.

    3 8.82%
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    Default Poll: Should Rey have *just* been a “real” Skywalker?

    Pretty simple debate point: considering the entire ST in totality, as well as the BTS drama that it had to deal with regarding the writing of Rey... would it have just been better to have Rey revealed as a Skywalker in TLJ? Or to be introduced as such in TFA, but once that was over it was a bad idea? Or was it still an idea that would have worked, eve if revealed/retconned into TROS after TLJ poo-pooed the idea?

    Or was Rey as a Skywalker or Solo always going to be an inferior idea? Do you think Rey Random really did carry some powerful connotations to it?

    Or are you just cold on any of the ideas used for her?

    (Please Note: I do kind of want to debate answers here, so feel free to offer a defense of your opinion... and please don’t be surprised it it gets argued about.)

    I’m going for the “still a good idea even in TROS” idea myself - I just genuinely don’t think Rey gained anything from TLJ, and it still would have cleaned up a lot of the issues with her character the ST in one move to just retcon in some “certain point of view” line to explain the discrepancy with TLJ.

    I also don’t find many of the objections to Rey being a Skywalker or Solo convincing in the slightest, particularly once honoring TLJ as a work of art is removed. All the supposedly egalitarian ideas of Rey being a Random are already expressed by Anakin and Luke’s stories, the hundreds of other Jedi we’ve seen, Han Solo, and even Finn in the ST itself. And if it seems predictable to limiting, then I feel like that has to be accompanied by a prognosis that Kylo is also a predictable and limiting character - if an argument against Rey being a Skywalker or Solo could also apply to Kylo, then a double standard can’t be allowed.
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    I like that she was a Palpatine.
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    From the TFA hints, she should have been revealed as Luke's daughter in VIII. I like a slower burn to a big reveal so doing it in TFA itself wouldn't have been as satisfying. I had grown to be okay with the "nobody" angle, but Skywalker was always preferable since this entire saga was indeed revolved around that family. There were always other projects to expand beyond them. But if she was just going to take the name Skywalker anyway, she should have just legit been one of blood.

    The Palpatine angle could have been interesting with some build up, but it had none and was a complete last second decision that showed in its contrivance, so it kind of hurts the idea overall for me.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BeastieRunner View Post
    I like that she was a Palpatine.
    Funny thing for me about the Palpatine angle is that I don’t really hate it in isolation, as much as I regard it as an inherently inferior version fo the same story that Rey as a Skywalker or Solo is... though that comes with certain subjective caveats that need to be admitted: it requires thinking that a Skywalker simply works better as *the* main character in a story still featuring them, and that Kylo/Ben is absolutely inadequate and unacceptable in that role, even as a junior partner to Rey.

    If you don’t have those problems, than Rey being a Palpatine works pretty well... and I still think it’s clearly better than Rey “Random,” at least as presented by TLJ*, since it puts the focus back on Rey and gives her at least a tie to some of the 9-film story. I still don’t think it works nearly as well as a Skywalker tie would, and that it still leaves their story ending on a wasteful true like Ben Solo, but at least it makes sure the story is hers.

    *I still think that Rey Random *could* work, but would require extreme work, focus, and a willingness to use Kylo as a hate sink to pull all Skywalker-family preferences the story into one black hole deconstruction of the idea... and I don’t think LFL ever really bought in entirely on moving away from the Skywalker, or on the idea of Kylo being a vile villain (even if TFA arguably made that his core, over-riding characteristic.
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    If they had actually gone with her being Luke's daughter or something by the second movie, okay. Would have liked to know (at least an idea) as to whom the mother was, but it would have been okay.

    Also; if they had stuck with her being a Palpatine, and not pulled it out of their ass and then Rey kept the name to bring a better light to it, I also would have been okay with.

    But the convoluted way they skipped around, retconned and re-retconned her past, just done with it.

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    What i find strange is the Skywalker lightsaber calling out to Rey...who is a Palpatine. I kind of get the feeling that they were leaving their options open on her being a Skywalker because no one actually had a plan mapped out for the trilogy.
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    My big complaint, the Skywalker line is dead. That for me is what killed the ending for me.
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    - I'm Rey.

    - Rey who?

    - Rey who doesn't a give a damn about her brave and actual real parents who died for her but prefer bearing the name of people she has met 2 months before

    - gurrrl...

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    I liked her as a nobody, being a mysterious heir to an established character just feels like bad fan-fiction to me.

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    Considering the saga evolved after the first film to basically be centered on this one particular family, I don't see how there would have been anything fan-fiction-y about it at all. The main feature films have been primarily a Skywalker tale for over 35 years. It would have been the complete opposite of fan fic, rather a completely organic progression. Prequels about the father. Originals about the son. Sequels about the granddaughter.

    After this trilogy was done, then they could have retired the staunch following of the Skywalker line, and branched way out like so many other-media projects have done throughout the years. This is probably what they're going to do anyway, just unfortunate that the Skywalker line ended in a rather underwhelming way when it didn't have to.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sacred Knight View Post
    Considering the saga evolved after the first film to basically be centered on this one particular family, I don't see how there would have been anything fan-fiction-y about it at all. The main feature films have been primarily a Skywalker tale for over 35 years. It would have been the complete opposite of fan fic, rather a completely organic progression. Prequels about the father. Originals about the son. Sequels about the granddaughter.

    After this trilogy was done, then they could have retired the staunch following of the Skywalker line, and branched way out like so many other-media projects have done throughout the years. This is probably what they're going to do anyway, just unfortunate that the Skywalker line ended in a rather underwhelming way when it didn't have to.
    Disney...who loves nothing more than creating Disney Princesses to cash in on had the ultimate Disney Princess in Rey and only went half in?

    They named the thing the "Skywalker Saga" they should have just gone all in and made her Luke's kid. They could have brought in Mara Jade and wouldn't have wasted Snoke, but that would have failed to subvert our expectations.

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    No, she should have been the Jaina Solo character she was clearly an expy of.

    Or even better, it should have been Ahsoka in that role.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LordMikel View Post
    My big complaint, the Skywalker line is dead. That for me is what killed the ending for me.
    Kind of makes me wonder if the line branched before Shmi though, although Anakin was kind of special....

    Luke & Leia & Ben do apparently have maternal line relatives on Naboo through Padme (Padme's sister and her daughters are seen in an AOTC deleted scene and her funeral at the end of ROTS) but that doesn't really count I guess.
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    I guess they could always say that Rey became pregnant via the Force and its techincally Ben's child? Kinda silly but I mean, no more silly than Anakin's virgin birth. Not saying I'd want that stuff followed, it could just be a way to jump forward a long ways in time and just have it historic reality that at least the Skywalker line did continue in a way of legit blood.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sacred Knight View Post
    I guess they could always say that Rey became pregnant via the Force and its techincally Ben's child? Kinda silly but I mean, no more silly than Anakin's virgin birth. Not saying I'd want that stuff followed, it could just be a way to jump forward a long ways in time and just have it historic reality that at least the Skywalker line did continue in a way of legit blood.
    Nah, let's just skip ahead far enough that this is all a distant memory. I'm thinking five hundred years.
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