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    I can't find where I said it, but I personally felt the jury was out, as in judgement on Leto's performance, would be on [permanent] pause until we see Letos' Joker vs Affleck's Batman. I just figured that will never happen. Glad I was wrong and it'll happen in some capacity.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nate Grey View Post
    I can't find where I said it, but I personally felt the jury was out, as in judgement on Leto's performance, would be on [permanent] pause until we see Letos' Joker vs Affleck's Batman. I just figured that will never happen. Glad I was wrong and it'll happen in some capacity.
    Zack's JL film seems like it has a lot going on already, so I doubt we would get a full deep dive into Batman lore and his many battles with Joker. But I do hope we do at least get some scenes of the two going at it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Iron_Legion87 View Post
    Zack's JL film seems like it has a lot going on already, so I doubt we would get a full deep dive into Batman lore and his many battles with Joker. But I do hope we do at least get some scenes of the two going at it.
    My guess it'll just have to do with Robin's death. I thought the implication was Batman decided to knock out all his teeth instead of just kill him in retaliation. We'll probably see something like that, or at least the aftermath.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nate Grey View Post
    My guess it'll just have to do with Robin's death. I thought the implication was Batman decided to knock out all his teeth instead of just kill him in retaliation. We'll probably see something like that, or at least the aftermath.
    Which is ridiculous since this Batman, pre-Justice League, was about killing everyone and this Joker wouldn't be anything but a speed bump to Affleck.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Steel Inquisitor View Post
    Which is ridiculous since this Batman, pre-Justice League, was about killing everyone and this Joker wouldn't be anything but a speed bump to Affleck.
    It stands to reason the Affleck Batman hasn’t always been homicidal, and only became murderous after the Black Zero event seen in MOS. Prior to that, Pre-MOS DCEU Batman probably had a strict no-kill policy similar to a lot of versions of the character hence why LetoJoker is still alive and kicking as opposed to simply being a corpse rotting in a grave burial site somewhere...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Amadeus Arkham View Post
    It stands to reason the Affleck Batman hasn’t always been homicidal, and only became murderous after the Black Zero event seen in MOS. Prior to that, Pre-MOS DCEU Batman probably had a strict no-kill policy similar to a lot of versions of the character hence why LetoJoker is still alive and kicking as opposed to simply being a corpse rotting in a grave burial site somewhere...
    There's nothing in the movies that suggests that. You're saying that because the Batman you know doesn't kill, but Snyder hasn't exactly been big on staying true to the source material.

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    Wow, just when I thought the Snyder Cut couldn't get any more crazier or out of hand, this happens. At this point, the Snyder Cut is either going to an insane masterpiece out of the sheer audacity of Snyder doubling down on his vision or is going to blow up in everyone's collective faces. I just can't see any middle ground here.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Alan2099 View Post
    There's nothing in the movies that suggests that. You're saying that because the Batman you know doesn't kill, but Snyder hasn't exactly been big on staying true to the source material.
    BVS clearly presented a Batman that’s lost his way after being traumatized by the casualties of the Battle of Metropolis. Thus he’s become more darker because of this. We know in that film that Batman has just recently started branding criminals(recall Alfred throwing the newspaper articles of the bat-branding at Bruce saying, “new rules?” — signifying he’s become far more draconian than he’s been in the past.

    It isn’t spelled out explicitly, but the implication is there. How else do you explain Leto Joker being alive? Not to mention, Ayer did say that Batman did beat Joker for killing Robin but didn’t end up killing him.
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    I hated Leto's Joker.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Amadeus Arkham View Post
    It stands to reason the Affleck Batman hasn’t always been homicidal, and only became murderous after the Black Zero event seen in MOS. Prior to that, Pre-MOS DCEU Batman probably had a strict no-kill policy similar to a lot of versions of the character hence why LetoJoker is still alive and kicking as opposed to simply being a corpse rotting in a grave burial site somewhere...
    All we know is that Black Zero event made him want to kill Clark, the implication about him murdering criminals is very minimal so we have to take what's shown to us because nobody's presenting another aspect of his characterisation. That was Snyder's Batman, not traditional Batman. Joker and Harley were involved with killing a Robin, if anything that event should have ended them right there.

    It isn’t spelled out explicitly, but the implication is there. How else do you explain Leto Joker being alive? Not to mention, Ayer did say that Batman did beat Joker for killing Robin but didn’t end up killing him.
    Implications don't help much with Joker, going by how this Batman is as soon as murder was an option for him its down to poor storytelling that Joker is alive because he's Joker. But why didn't Batman come back and finish off later on when he did murder criminals? It's not like this Joker was hiding.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Steel Inquisitor View Post
    All we know is that Black Zero event made him want to kill Clark, the implication about him murdering criminals is very minimal so we have to take what's shown to us because nobody's presenting another aspect of his characterisation. That was Snyder's Batman, not traditional Batman. Joker and Harley were involved with killing a Robin, if anything that event should have ended them right there.
    I think itís fairly clear that the movie is trying to say that this Batman has lost his way thanks in part to experiencing the most traumatic event of his life since the night of his parents were gunned down, and the movie does seem to imply the event had a significant impact on Bruce emotionally; making him a far darker vigilante than he had been in the past.

    Quote Originally Posted by Steel Inquisitor View Post
    Implications don't help much with Joker, going by how this Batman is as soon as murder was an option for him its down to poor storytelling that Joker is alive because he's Joker. But why didn't Batman come back and finish off later on when he did murder criminals? It's not like this Joker was hiding.
    We know so little of this Batmanís history, and we donít know definitively if he always was a killer or not. Iím merely surmising the reason Joker is still alive and well is because this Batman likely wasnít killing criminals before MOS. I especially donít think a Year One-like DCEU Batman who was just starting out his crime-fighting career was killing criminals. In the film itself, thereís a telling conversation that Bruce has with Alfred about his recent turn to branding the criminals he apprehends and ďhow things have changedĒ since that horrible event that claimed thousands of lives. Alfred then says something to effect of how fear and the feeling of powerless could drive decent men to cruelty. Bruce on that day once again felt a crippling sense of powerless and fear that he hadnít felt since he was an eight year old where he had a front row seat to gun-violence with his parents tragic deaths.

    This incident dramatically changed Bruce emotionally, and was the basically the straw the broke the camels back in terms of him keeping his morality in the face of all the death he had endured up to that point(the dead Robin comes mind). Supermanís arrival on Earth ďdroveĒ Bruce over the edge, and Bruce lost what little innocence he had, what little goodness he had left because of that event leading to his tragic descent into cruelty. Itís fairly obvious this Batman has fallen from grace and wasnít this way prior to the Battle Of Metropolis.
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    Saw an article written by a guy who claims Snyder is ruining his epic Masterwork of DC film and the #releasethesnydercut movement by supporting Joe Biden. The whole article was head scratchingly idiotic. So I Googled the writer and the first thing that comes up is Armond white the worlds worst movie critic. Never heard of him but apparently he's a notorious contrarian. Apparently he thinks Ironman,inception,and 12 years a slave are garbage. While BvS and Adam Sandler comedies are the most deeply moving art out there.

    Anyway according to this troll alot of the release the Snyder cut people are upset he endorsed Biden. Is this a real thing ? 95% of people in tv and film are liberals. Seems silly for someone to be surprised to find out Snyder is. But then again there was a call to boycott Bradley Cooper a few years back when American Sniper fans found out he was liberal af.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Midvillian1322 View Post
    Saw an article written by a guy who claims Snyder is ruining his epic Masterwork of DC film and the #releasethesnydercut movement by supporting Joe Biden. The whole article was head scratchingly idiotic. So I Googled the writer and the first thing that comes up is Armond white the worlds worst movie critic. Never heard of him but apparently he's a notorious contrarian. Apparently he thinks Ironman,inception,and 12 years a slave are garbage. While BvS and Adam Sandler comedies are the most deeply moving art out there.

    Anyway according to this troll alot of the release the Snyder cut people are upset he endorsed Biden. Is this a real thing ? 95% of people in tv and film are liberals. Seems silly for someone to be surprised to find out Snyder is. But then again there was a call to boycott Bradley Cooper a few years back when American Sniper fans found out he was liberal af.
    Armond White is a notorious conservative Republican. Snyder's a Libertarian IIRC, and just because he's voting for Biden isn't a certainty that he's a Democrat. Dwayne Johnson is doing that and it's widely known that he's been a Republican all his life.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Steel Inquisitor View Post
    Armond White is a notorious conservative Republican. Snyder's a Libertarian IIRC, and just because he's voting for Biden isn't a certainty that he's a Democrat. Dwayne Johnson is doing that and it's widely known that he's been a Republican all his life.
    The Rock has never voted for a republican for president since I've been old enough to vote. He said he didnt vote for Hilary or Trump. Also voted for Obama twice. Hes identified as an independent for awhile now. Also I said Liberal not democrat. Id be willing to bet both Rock and Snyder are Liberals in the traditional sense, especially socially. Today Liberal gets associated with Socialist for whatever reason. The big reason alot of Hollywood people don't lean right is because of the social issues. I mean socially Liberal Republicans is a thing but its not a big thing. Most Hollywood people that go right usually go hard right, John Voight. But in all honestly I like Libertarianism in idea, so I get that one. Its when you apply that idea unilaterally it becomes an issue for me. Anyway sorry to bring up politics.


    Anyway on topic, sounds like this guy is projecting then. He's super conservative and outraged but its not an actual thing happening in that community.

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