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    Here's the text of the Hollywood Reporter article, which seems to be the best source on things since Snyder's annoucement at the end of his Man of Steel watch party.

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Hollywood Reporter, May 20, 2020

    "It Will Be an Entirely New Thing": Zack Snyder's $20M-Plus 'Justice League' Cut Plans Revealed

    HBO Max will debut the project in 2021 — possibly in a four-hour director's cut or in six TV-style "chapters" — as the helmer gets the gang back together with the original postproduction crew to score, cut and finish visual effects.

    It was very early on a Monday morning in November when director Zack Snyder and his wife and producing partner, Deborah Snyder, received a call from their agent. Let’s be a bit more precise. It was 7 a.m. But more importantly, it was the day after the second anniversary of the release of Justice League, the DC superhero movie that Snyder was forced to exit due to a family emergency, which was then substantially reshot and retooled by replacement director Joss Whedon.

    In the time since its release, something unusual happened: A growing movement of fans, rallied by the hashtag #ReleasetheSnyderCut, had called, agitated, petitioned — even bought a Times Square billboard and chartered a plane to fly a banner over Comic-Con — for Snyder’s version to be released. And on the film's second anniversary, the hashtag had its biggest day ever — with even the movie's stars Gal Gadot and Ben Affleck adding their voices on Twitter.

    So here, the morning after, was their agent saying that Toby Emmerich, chairman of Warner Bros. Pictures, was acknowledging the movement, and more importantly, was willing to accede. "This is real. People out there want it. Would you guys ever consider doing something?" was what Emmerich was asking, Zack Snyder recalls.

    The answer to Emmerich's question, a whispered-about secret for months, was revealed Wednesday when Zack Snyder confirmed, at the end of an online screening of his 2013 movie, Man of Steel, that his version of Justice League was indeed real. And that it will be coming to HBO Max, the WarnerMedia digital streaming service launching May 27, and is expected to debut in 2021.

    It is currently unclear what form Snyder’s Justice League will take. Whether it will be released as an almost four-hour director’s cut or split into six "chapters" has yet to be decided, but the Snyders are now in the midst of reassembling much of their original postproduction crew to score, cut, add new and finish old visual effects, and, yes, maybe bring back many of the actors to record additional dialogue.

    Also unclear is the cost of the endeavor. One source has pegged the effort in the $20 million range, although another source says that figure could be closer to $30 million. The parties involved had no comment.

    "It will be an entirely new thing, and, especially talking to those who have seen the released movie, a new experience apart from that movie," Zack Snyder tells The Hollywood Reporter, noting that, to this day, he has not watched the version released in theaters.

    "You probably saw one-fourth of what I did," the director notes, basing his judgment on what has been shared with him of Whedon's version.

    Before Emmerich came calling, adds Snyder, "I always thought it was a thing that in 20 years, maybe somebody would do a documentary and I could lend them the footage, little snippets of a cut no one has ever seen."

    But, adds Deborah Snyder, "With the new platform and streaming services, you can have something like this. You can’t release something like this theatrically, but you could with a streaming service. It’s an opportunity that wasn’t there two years ago, to be honest."

    It is a very unlikely development, and the latest twist for a movie that has, like the Man of Steel himself, seen death and rebirth.

    Snyder was in a unique position when he shot Justice League in 2016. Warner Bros. had entrusted its universe of DC characters to one filmmaker — him — and he had been building toward a great onscreen team-up, though not without some bumps in the road. He began with Man of Steel, which grossed $668 million worldwide, then followed up with Batman v Superman: Dawn of Justice, the 2016 blockbuster that polarized fans with its dark take on the iconic titular heroes and took in $873 million globally.

    In January 2017, he had what he considered his optimal version of Justice League, almost four hours long, although he knew it was something the studio would not release. Warners wanted a cut in the two-hour range, and he delivered a rough version with an approximate two-hour, 20-minute running time. That was the first cut the studio saw. Both sides agreed that there was much work still to be done before the November release, but tragedy struck the Snyders when their daughter, Autumn, died by suicide. A month and a half later, Zack officially stepped away and Whedon was brought in.

    League opened Nov. 17 to weak reviews and sluggish box office, eventually taking in $658 million worldwide. However, almost immediately a movement was born. Fans unhappy with the film created the now-infamous hashtag. A Change.org petition for Warners to release Snyder’s version had already garnered over 100,000 signatures less than five days after the movie’s release.

    Forget that the version that fans wanted technically didn’t exist. What did exist was a semi-unfinished work, with no visual effects, no postproduction. One person who had seen that version described it like a car with no panels, just a drivetrain and some seats. And it sat on a hard drive in the Snyders' house. "When we left the movie, I just took the drive of the cut on it," says Zack Snyder. "I honestly never thought it would be anything."

    In the year following their daughter's death, the Snyders closed circles around their family as they tried to heal from the tragedy. "The first year was about the milestones and the holidays," recalls Deborah Snyder. "Now, it’s not those but other moments, like songs that trigger memories, that hit me unexpectedly."

    Adds Zack: "As a family, as a couple, I think we have grown in a way that has made us stronger. We’re doing our best. You really can’t hope for more."

    The duo also became involved in suicide-prevention charity work and plotted a return to movies with Army of the Dead. Meanwhile, #ReleasetheSnyderCut became more organized and visible, gaining mainstream media attention. Zack Snyder fed into the movement by occasionally teasing images from his movie or storyboards on social media, in some ways only stoking the hot embers. And he saw some of the seeds he planted in his movies, especially in his castings of Gadot as Wonder Woman and Momoa as Aquaman, grow into gardens as the spinoffs became pop culture phenomenons and billion-dollar hits.

    It was on the two-year anniversary, however, that the zenith hit and the hashtag became a top worldwide trend. "#ReleasetheSnyderCut is the most-tweeted hashtag about a movie that WB has ever made, but it’s a movie they’ve never released," says Snyder. "It’s a weird stat but it’s cool."

    After the Saturday morning phone call, the Snyders began to move puzzle pieces into place. "We had to figure out what it meant to finish it, and how do you pull it off?" recalls Deborah.
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    The Snyders put together a presentation and, in early February, invited a select group of executives from Warner Bros., HBO Max and DC to their house in Pasadena to screen Zack's little-seen version that was shown in black and white. The number of executives in the room — there were more than a dozen in attendance, ranging from Warners' Emmerich, Carolyn Blackwood, and Walter Hamada to HBO Max's Kevin Reilly, Sarah Aubrey and Sandra Dewey to DC's Jim Lee — showed the importance of the potentially extensive undertaking. Heads of physical production and business affairs were there to assess what needed to be done and how much it would cost. At his presentation after the screening, Snyder outlined ideas for not just releasing the cut but the concept of episodes and cliffhangers.

    The executives left the meeting pumped. The Snyder Cut was real. Except then it almost wasn’t.

    The novel coronavirus struck, and Hollywood all but shut down in mid-March. Says Deborah, "People thought, 'It won’t be possible to ramp up, and that maybe this should go on the back burner.' But we said, 'No, this is the right time' because our visual effects houses that rely on so much are running out of work, so now is the time to be doing this." It also helped that many of those post facilities had held on to the original assets.

    Snyder also spent April and May reaching out to the sizable cast, giving a heads-up on the new development and letting them know their services may be needed. (The first person called: Ray Fisher, who played Cyborg. "He was like, 'You’re kidding me, right?'" recalls Zack.)

    There is no schedule going forward at this stage for the project as talks are now beginning with postproduction houses, which also gives HBO Max plenty of time to find the best way to present this version of Justice League. Snyder is at the same time in post on Army of the Dead, his zombie thriller for Netflix that also will debut in 2021.

    For the Snyders, the chance to revisit the movie also brings the prospect for closure on a project they were forced to let go. "This movie was the culmination of a hero’s journey that all these characters went on," says Deborah Snyder. "And the idea was always to build them up to be the heroes people expected them to be."

    And while the cut will contain the many elements Zack has teased over time (yes, expect Darkseid), the duo also relish adding a fair amount of character development. "What’s so lovely about this is that we get to explore these characters in ways that you’re not able to in a shorter theatrical version."

    The Snyders know that fan power is what led to the Snyder Cut becoming a reality. "Clearly this wouldn’t be happening without them," says Zack. He also credits Warners for living up to its old reputation as the filmmaker’s studio.

    Adds Zack, "This return to that pedigree and to let my singular vision of my movie be realized, in this format, in this length, is unprecedented and a brave move."
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    I’m happy for the fans for finally getting the cut they’ve been clamoring for even though I don’t have any confidence in it being any good...at all. I’m morbidly curious to see what Zack’s version is, and I think if nothing else it will interesting to see how different is from the theatrical version. Doesn’t matter if it’s good or bad, my interest is at the very least piqued.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nate Grey View Post
    Speaking of Darkseid, seems like they're still doing a New Gods movie. Its at least three years away and maybe they want to lay groundwork for that now? If Darkseid is out, all other references to the New Gods, Apokolips, and New Genesis might be in.
    Darkseid is a wild (DC Films Joker?) cosmic card right now, being able to be adapted to film without being directly involved with Earth heroes first.

    Opposite of MCU Thanos who clashed with Avengers and Guardians from beginning to end and now they're exploring Eternals and more Guardians stuff.

    Could be interesting depending on what Darkseid material they want to adapt and who does it. Could even be topical.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wildling View Post
    Darkseid is a wild (DC Films Joker?) cosmic card right now, being able to be adapted to film without being directly involved with Earth heroes first.

    Opposite of MCU Thanos who clashed with Avengers and Guardians from beginning to end and now they're exploring Eternals and more Guardians stuff.

    Could be interesting depending on what Darkseid material they want to adapt and who does it. Could even be topical.
    Unless something has changed, Ava DuVernay is still directing and working with Tom King to co-write it. So far these movies have been collaborative so if Snyder uses anything New Gods related I'm sure he'll check with DuVernay first.

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    Wow, I thought this might happen eventually but like 5-10 years down the track as a bit of forgotten fan-service not headlining for HBO max.

    It's a good time to release it, I feel a lot of the hate and vitriol towards Syndyer has abated and there is genuine curiosity about just how different this movie is compared to the theatrical cut.

    But I'm not a fan of splitting it up into 35 minute episodes three/four 50-60 minute ones would be better IMO.
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    There is no Snyder cut from the original film, that's why Snyder needs money to shoot scene and put in special effects. It's a director's cut that hasn't been made yet.

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    The fact that the cut doesn't exist is oddly funny, although in that case, they shouldn't even put forth the money for it.

    I never really cared either way, but I assumed it was shot already, it doesn't even exist (?)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Steel Inquisitor View Post
    There is no Snyder cut from the original film, that's why Snyder needs money to shoot scene and put in special effects. It's a director's cut that hasn't been made yet.
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    The fact that the cut doesn't exist is oddly funny, although in that case, they shouldn't even put forth the money for it.

    I never really cared either way, but I assumed it was shot already, it doesn't even exist (?)
    The money is going toward editing, VFX, score, marketing, and some reshoots.

    Snyder shot an entire film and had multiple cuts prepared. He screened his own cut to WB and HBO Max execs in February.

    People are still pushing the “doesn’t exist” thing even after the movie’s been announced?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nate Grey View Post
    Unless something has changed, Ava DuVernay is still directing and working with Tom King to co-write it. So far these movies have been collaborative so if Snyder uses anything New Gods related I'm sure he'll check with DuVernay first.
    Why? At this point the Snyder cut is like the Joker movie - out if continuity. Why check with DuVernay on the New Gods when they're in different continuities from one another?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Elmo View Post
    The money is going toward editing, VFX, score, marketing, and some reshoots.

    Snyder shot an entire film and had multiple cuts prepared. He screened his own cut to WB and HBO Max execs in February.

    People are still pushing the “doesn’t exist” thing even after the movie’s been announced?
    Doesn't exist in its entirety then? I wouldn't expect reshoots but the film being shot already was my original assumption, just was confused by the dicussion they needed to film still.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vakanai View Post
    So it's not really them going backwards, it's just them doing something you don't want to watch. But a couple things to keep in mind - first, they are still going ahead in that direction established by WW, AM, Shazam, and BOP, this is just an in addition too. Second, this isn't taking anything away. The only thing that's happening is we're getting one more movie than we'd otherwise get. No direction is being changed, no films are getting axed for this, everything is going to happen just like it was planned before they announced this, the only thing different is we get a new film. How can anyone be against getting more? You can just not watch it, but it won't affect anything else.
    I've already stated that I'll keep an open mind and watch it. I also stated that I believe it will be better than the butchered version we got simply because the plot will be more coherent and there will be more character development.

    But there was a reason why WB didn't release this in 2017 despite spending well over $200 million. All reports indicate that the assembly cut Snyder put together for WB executives just prior to leaving the project was a disaster. Further, while being vilified by some fans for the cut he put together, Whedon by all accounts did the best he could with the material he was given and the mandate by the studio to fix Snyder's mess. And what I said about how fans will ultimately react to his cut of Justice League will hold true. Those that loved Man of Steel and Batman V Superman will undoubtedly love his version of Justice League. But to be frank there weren't a lot of those fans in the first place, which is why both those films did poorly critically and underwhelmed commercially.

    Now, I liked MoS but acknowledge it had its share of flaws. I had hoped Snyder would have listened to the criticism and made an improved film in BvS. Instead, he doubled down on his vision and released a substantially more flawed film than MoS was (although again, his cut released on video was better than the theatrical version). From the sound of his story for JL, I don't see much change in direction or tone, and in fact it sounds like it's going to be much darker and more brooding than MoS and BvS combined.

    So I guess long story short, I'm definitely curious and give major props to the fans who pushed to make this happen. But I just think more mainstream fans (i.e. non-Snyder sycophants) are still going to be disappointed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Elmo View Post
    The money is going toward editing, VFX, score, marketing, and some reshoots.

    Snyder shot an entire film and had multiple cuts prepared. He screened his own cut to WB and HBO Max execs in February.

    People are still pushing the “doesn’t exist” thing even after the movie’s been announced?
    I don't think fans stated it never existed per se. I think their point was that Snyder left the project well before post-production and there's no way it was completed more than an assembly cut or something akin to the Donner Cut.

    The fact that it's going to take $20 million and a year to release pretty much confirms a completed version of the film did not exist.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kingaliencracker View Post
    I don't think fans stated it never existed per se. I think their point was that Snyder left the project well before post-production and there's no way it was completed more than an assembly cut or something akin to the Donner Cut.

    The fact that it's going to take $20 million and a year to release pretty much confirms a completed version of the film did not exist.
    Yeah. This is my understanding and stance on the whole thing. This is actually proof that there is no "Snyder Cut" as a lot of the proponents seem to think there is. All this news report does is prove that there is the bones of a movie, but not one that is ready for public consumption. To say that there's such a thing as a Snyder Cut in the past tense is intellectually dishonest. Did he throw some stuff together to show a rough cut to WB execs? Maybe, but that is a far cry from there being an actual Snyder Cut in storage somewhere collecting dust next to the Ark of the Covenant. The movie that we are going to get does not exist at this time and has never existed. But it will exist some time in 2021 and $20-30 million dollars later.

    To be honest, the Snyder fans should be too busy dancing in the streets (six feet apart) to come here with the long, drawn out I told you sos. This is the best case scenario that any of them could have ever hoped for. If the Snyder Cut got released right now (which is the implication of the hashtag), they would have a movie that looked like the leak of Wolverine: Origins with a lot of scenes out of place. Elmo even admits that the money is going towards editing, VFX, score and some reshoots, which if there was an actual Snyder Cut wouldn't be necessary.

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    Quote Originally Posted by C_Miller View Post
    Yeah. This is my understanding and stance on the whole thing. This is actually proof that there is no "Snyder Cut" as a lot of the proponents seem to think there is. All this news report does is prove that there is the bones of a movie, but not one that is ready for public consumption. To say that there's such a thing as a Snyder Cut in the past tense is intellectually dishonest. Did he throw some stuff together to show a rough cut to WB execs? Maybe, but that is a far cry from there being an actual Snyder Cut in storage somewhere collecting dust next to the Ark of the Covenant. The movie that we are going to get does not exist at this time and has never existed. But it will exist some time in 2021 and $20-30 million dollars later.

    To be honest, the Snyder fans should be too busy dancing in the streets (six feet apart) to come here with the long, drawn out I told you sos. This is the best case scenario that any of them could have ever hoped for. If the Snyder Cut got released right now (which is the implication of the hashtag), they would have a movie that looked like the leak of Wolverine: Origins with a lot of scenes out of place. Elmo even admits that the money is going towards editing, VFX, score and some reshoots, which if there was an actual Snyder Cut wouldn't be necessary.
    I see this as a win regardless of my overall feeling that it's unnecessary. One, fans scored a major victory, which is rare in the movie industry. Two, I do feel Snyder's cut even with it likely still disappointing me will be better than the Whedon version. Three, if nothing else maybe this will push WB to keep Cavill in the role of Superman, which they've seemed hesitant to do.

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