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    The sequels should’ve pursued more of a Dutch vs Monster-of-the-week vibe, to be honest, like a Detective series. You’ve learned all of the Predator’s tricks and surprises by the end of the story. Next time he could go up against a shapeshifter, or a liberal.

    I know Freddy and Jason always get to come back, but those sequels are inevitably weaker for retreading old ground too.

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    Action/Horror

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    Quote Originally Posted by Riv86672 View Post
    Cool, ty for the great reply!

    A list like yours would’ve come in handy during my own deployments...
    Thanks.

    Yeah, I spent a lot of time on it. I did the rankings in reverse order with #50 coming first and building up to #1. I would read the plot synopsis in Wikipedia or IMDB but would tweak it with my own words to describe the films. It was a lot of fun creating it so I was real happy that my nephew and his buddies got such a kick out of it. The last time I saw him, he said he still had the list so it traveled with him everywhere he was deployed and all the way back home.

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    ^^^That’s very VERY cool...!

    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisIII View Post
    It's definetly got quite a few disturbing kills, even compared to some slasher movies. The fate of Hopper and his team, for example, is particularly horrific; and we graphically see what happens with Billy.

    The sequels actually seemed to decrease a lot of the gore of the first one.
    ^^^I agree w. that.
    The pacing in the first movie really was skewed towards building horror & suspense.
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    I consider it monster/action myself rather than horror, but it follows quite a number of horror tropes.

    Now, if it was Arnold and his team vs. the Predator in an old cabin in the woods... (jk)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Frobisher View Post
    The sequels should’ve pursued more of a Dutch vs Monster-of-the-week vibe, to be honest, like a Detective series. You’ve learned all of the Predator’s tricks and surprises by the end of the story. Next time he could go up against a shapeshifter, or a liberal.

    I know Freddy and Jason always get to come back, but those sequels are inevitably weaker for retreading old ground too.
    Fun fact: They tried getting Arnold and he declined each time as he was busy or the pay was too small for the role. It's kind of ironic that of all things he actually came back for the new game but wouldn't come back for the Terminator in MK11 despite comparable violence and Netherealm/WB having likely bigger pay.

    While not doing what Fox had hoped the character did have a fairly decent amount of popularity following the AVP crossover. So while a new movie was out of the question until 2004, the character did have an audience within the comics and games. Something that despite the gaps in films actually does have a fairly consistent release schedule outside of them. It's almost like Star Wars in that regard where pre-Disney most of the content isn't actually the films but the EU. They have a dedicated audience and it does make money. It will never be Avengers or a big name franchise, but it's something that does well enough with the niche it's carved out for itself.
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    I think there were some plans to bring back Dutch back for Predators and The Predator but they fell through. I think they originally intended Dutch to be the Laurence Fishburne character but I'm not 100% sure on that.
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    Quote Originally Posted by batnbreakfast View Post
    I consider Predator 1987 a very good movie but really a mix of genres. The first half is almost only an 80s macho action fest but the movie is also self aware. The creature design is brilliant and listening to the audio commentary and how the original plan was we are very lucky with what Stan Winston designed. Buying Predator is worth it. I've watched my copy a lot
    What batnbreakfast said.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisIII View Post
    I think there were some plans to bring back Dutch back for Predators and The Predator but they fell through. I think they originally intended Dutch to be the Laurence Fishburne character but I'm not 100% sure on that.
    In Predators the current belief is that he was supposed to be Noland but when he declined it was retooled kind of like what happened on Predator 2 where Dutch was supposed to be either Keyes or Harrigan and it got remade into the film as we know it today. There's also a report (I never found out if it was true or false) that he would otherwise have had a cameo in Predator gear with the implication that he joined them. For The Predator when everybody is just kind of looking off at the end of the film, that was supposed to be Dutch coming off a Helicopter to pick up our heroes. However he couldn't be bothered with the role and they look off.., at nothing. Yeah they had the budget to re-shoot the film but couldn't give Dutch a bigger presence or more money. So the Predator killer and the potential Ripley or Newt in the pod was made because god forbid Fox have given Arnold a bigger check. They really should've known better since money was always an issue getting him.

    It wouldn't be until 30+ years later that somehow Ilfonic convinced him to record audio diaries as Dutch and have him be playable and voiced in Predator:Hunting Grounds. It wouldn't be the first time he was back (he was in AVP Arcade with a robotic arm to boot) but this is the first time he'd officially been back, and it happened in a videogame.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SuperiorIronman View Post
    Fun fact: They tried getting Arnold and he declined each time as he was busy or the pay was too small for the role. It's kind of ironic that of all things he actually came back for the new game but wouldn't come back for the Terminator in MK11 despite comparable violence and Netherealm/WB having likely bigger pay.

    While not doing what Fox had hoped the character did have a fairly decent amount of popularity following the AVP crossover. So while a new movie was out of the question until 2004, the character did have an audience within the comics and games. Something that despite the gaps in films actually does have a fairly consistent release schedule outside of them. It's almost like Star Wars in that regard where pre-Disney most of the content isn't actually the films but the EU. They have a dedicated audience and it does make money. It will never be Avengers or a big name franchise, but it's something that does well enough with the niche it's carved out for itself.
    Quote Originally Posted by SuperiorIronman View Post
    In Predators the current belief is that he was supposed to be Noland but when he declined it was retooled kind of like what happened on Predator 2 where Dutch was supposed to be either Keyes or Harrigan and it got remade into the film as we know it today. There's also a report (I never found out if it was true or false) that he would otherwise have had a cameo in Predator gear with the implication that he joined them. For The Predator when everybody is just kind of looking off at the end of the film, that was supposed to be Dutch coming off a Helicopter to pick up our heroes. However he couldn't be bothered with the role and they look off.., at nothing. Yeah they had the budget to re-shoot the film but couldn't give Dutch a bigger presence or more money. So the Predator killer and the potential Ripley or Newt in the pod was made because god forbid Fox have given Arnold a bigger check. They really should've known better since money was always an issue getting him.

    It wouldn't be until 30+ years later that somehow Ilfonic convinced him to record audio diaries as Dutch and have him be playable and voiced in Predator:Hunting Grounds. It wouldn't be the first time he was back (he was in AVP Arcade with a robotic arm to boot) but this is the first time he'd officially been back, and it happened in a videogame.
    I didn’t know any of that, ty!

    And I agree w. you on it’s having carved out a niche for itself outside the films. Great comparison on your part to SW.

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    If we go by the standard genres it could fall into, it's either action, horror or sci-fi (monster and slasher are not genres of movies, merely subsets of a genre). And I'd say sci-fi horror. So yes, I consider it a horror film.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kieran_Frost View Post
    If we go by the standard genres it could fall into, it's either action, horror or sci-fi (monster and slasher are not genres of movies, merely subsets of a genre). And I'd say sci-fi horror. So yes, I consider it a horror film.
    Monster seems to be a genre in and of itself rather than a subset, since movies are categorized genre-wise around what they're about, i.e. a monster-drama film is still a monster film. If it wins a Golden Globe for Best Motion Picture - Drama, it doesn't negate the monster in the movie. Same with Bong Joon-Ho's the Host, which is much more of a sociopolitical film (like Parasite) than a monster movie, but is still categorized as a monster movie as much as it is a straight drama.

    Monster movie seems to be on the same level of categorization as the Western. We can have Western comedies or adventures or thrillers, but they're still under the encompassing umbrella genre of Western.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cyke View Post
    Monster seems to be a genre in and of itself rather than a subset.
    I'm... not entirely sure you're right. Even in the page you linked it says in the second line: The film may also fall under the horror, comedy, fantasy, or science fiction genres. In fact does it say monster movie is a "genre" anywhere on the page?

    Quote Originally Posted by Cyke View Post
    since movies are categorized genre-wise around what they're about, i.e. a monster-drama film is still a monster film. If it wins a Golden Globe for Best Motion Picture - Drama, it doesn't negate the monster in the movie. Same with Bong Joon-Ho's the Host, which is much more of a sociopolitical film (like Parasite) than a monster movie, but is still categorized as a monster movie as much as it is a straight drama.
    Monster movie is a type of movie, but it's not a genre. It originated from the horror genre; "Slasher" is similar to "monster movie", it's a subset of horror. Modern films are more playful and free in tones, which blurs the lines of what specific umbrellla a film falls under, but that doesn't make it a new genre. I don't consider "period drama" a genre, it's a subset of "drama".

    To me, genres are: comedy, drama, action, adventure, thriller, horror, sci-fi, fantasy, western, war, musical, animated, porn, documentary. The only one I flip-flop on is film noir. But I think it's more a LARGE subset of 'thriller'.

    Quote Originally Posted by Cyke View Post
    Monster movie seems to be on the same level of categorization as the Western. We can have Western comedies or adventures or thrillers, but they're still under the encompassing umbrella genre of Western.
    I would disagree with the comparison. From your own Wikipedia link: Monster movies originated with adaptations of horror folklore and literature. Monster movies originate from horror. Westerns originate... from the Wild Wild West. It's a genre in of itself.
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    Yes, it's a horror movie.

    I put it in the same category as Jaws, Jurassic Park, Poltergeist, and Terminator where people are terrorized or endangered by a non-human threat.

    Otherwise, the only threat that makes a film a horror flick is if it is a human being.

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    Sci fi/Action/Horror, much like another favorite of mine Aliens.
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