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    Comparing Revolutionary Cyclops with HydraCap is like comparing fascists with antifa.

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    Sure, the Scarlet Witch almost erased a minority, but she didn't make the establishment look bad. EvilCommieClops unwittingly made moderate liberals and conservatives look like, well, pure evil in one fell swoop. Which is a big no-no in the Western world.

    Rather simple, really.

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    I will say this, if Wanda after House of M had been the star of a story arc about how everyone hated her, I'd have been overjoyed as a Wanda fan. Instead she wasn't in anything for years.

    That explains why I think Cyclops was treated well until the Inhumans push started. Yes, he was hated by a lot of people in-universe, but 1) We, the reader, knew they were wrong, and 2) He was actually in those stories and playing a major role.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Icefanatic View Post
    I'm comparing them because they are all inversions of the characters and their principles.
    It was a character arc for Cyclops. His revolutionary mindset was forged from The Twelve, Jean’s death, Decimation, Dark Avengers, Utopia, and the arrival of Hope as the Mutant Messiah.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Huntsman Spider View Post
    Some even figured killing the younger Cyclops from the past "before he could grow up to be such a monster" was worth a shot. Although I'd argue in answer to the question that it was killing Xavier that put him over. As horrific as what Wanda did was, nobody the (adult) X-Men personally knew and cared for (as far as I could recall) outright died from or as a result of being depowered. Hell, one of the big problems the New X-Men had with the adult X-Men was that in their minds, Emma Frost effectively sent their depowered friends/classmates to die (on that bus that got blown up by the Purifiers), so maybe if someone they'd been close to had ended up dead as a direct or indirect result of Wanda's actions, maybe there'd be harder feelings about her compared with Cyclops after he killed Xavier. As disappointed and betrayed as they felt because of the long litany of sins Xavier committed in his past while preaching peace and love between humans and mutants for all those years, Cyclops just killing him was still a bridge too far for a lot of them, Phoenix-induced psychosis or not.
    Cyclops killed Xavier but Wanda killed several of her Avengers teammates and her actions did destroy the Avengers and lead to them disbanding for a while. People tend to forget or ignore this when it comes to talking about her sins

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    Quote Originally Posted by Will Evans View Post
    Because Wanda literally had sex with Captain America right before Disassembled. And STEVE WOULD NEVER LET THAT STAND WITH HIS FRIENDS WITH BENEFITS.
    They kissed. She slept on the couch. they did not have sex.
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    Haven't read the thread:




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    Quote Originally Posted by GenericUsername View Post
    They kissed. She slept on the couch. they did not have sex.
    They kissed!? Ew cooties.
    The Krakoans are EEEvil!

    THEY MUST BE STOPPED!

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    Quote Originally Posted by FluffyCyclopsRLZ View Post
    Sure, the Scarlet Witch almost erased a minority, but she didn't make the establishment look bad. EvilCommieClops unwittingly made moderate liberals and conservatives look like, well, pure evil in one fell swoop. Which is a big no-no in the Western world.

    Rather simple, really.
    Pretty much. No one is more dangerous to the establishment than a minority being proactive.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Havok83 View Post
    Cyclops killed Xavier but Wanda killed several of her Avengers teammates and her actions did destroy the Avengers and lead to them disbanding for a while. People tend to forget or ignore this when it comes to talking about her sins
    Very true. I was simply trying to point out why Cyclops got more hate in-universe than Wanda did, despite the greater scope of the damage caused by Wanda's actions. Most of the Avengers that died were considered second-stringers or otherwise not really important by the editorial regime that was in charge at the time, and most of the (named) mutants that were depowered were also second-stringers or otherwise less important in the eyes of said editorial regime. Xavier, on the other hand? His death was a big freaking deal, even if his name was dragged through the mud over the last decade by retcons/"revelations" of his own past sins and misdeeds, since without him, there wouldn't even be X-Men in the first place. And to be killed by the man he trained and trusted to lead the X-Men in battle? Yeah, that was really what it amounted to --- Xavier was a big name, so his death mattered more, at least within the context of the setting, than all the deaths Wanda had caused, directly or indirectly.

    As for Bendis insinuating that the Avengers were so gung ho against the X-Men in AvX because they "needed a big win" to regain the trust and respect of the general public, keep in mind that was right after Norman Osborn had been broken out of prison and proceeded to stir up the public against the Avengers while creating a new Dark Avengers team through an alliance between H.A.M.M.E.R., HYDRA, and AIM. Oh, and let's not forget Wonder Man assembling the Revengers, made of superhumans who'd become just as disgruntled and disillusioned with the Avengers as himself, to force the Avengers to disassemble while threatening to reveal some very unpleasant truths to the public about how the Avengers operated even before Osborn tried to capitalize on the wave of growing resentment and distrust of the Avengers. Hell, Reed Richards, of all people, called them out during AvX itself, asking Captain America and Iron Man if constantly hounding the Phoenix-powered X-Men until they snapped was really out of reasonable expectation that the power would be too much for them to control, or more out of fear that they would create a world that no longer needed the Avengers.
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    Quote Originally Posted by GenericUsername View Post
    They kissed. She slept on the couch. they did not have sex.
    Captain America and the Falcon comic right?

    When they woke up in the hotel after a long night.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Glio View Post
    Comparing Revolutionary Cyclops with HydraCap is like comparing fascists with antifa.
    People routinely compare fascists with Antifa.

    Antifa members routinely break out store windows, set cars on fire and beat reporters and innocent bystanders with bicycle locks in the name of fighting fascism. They generally behave like violent anarchists who use their stance against fascists and those they falsely accuse of fascism to try and paint themselves as a force for good.

    I see little difference between Antifa and fascists groups like the Proud Boys other than the phony excuses they use to justify their evil behavior.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Icefanatic View Post
    People routinely compare fascists with Antifa.

    Antifa members routinely break out store windows, set cars on fire and beat reporters and innocent bystanders with bicycle locks in the name of fighting fascism. They generally behave like violent anarchists who use their stance against fascists and those they falsely accuse of fascism to try and paint themselves as a force for good.

    I see little difference between Antifa and fascists groups like the Proud Boys other than the phony excuses they use to justify their evil behavior.
    Isn't that basically what the Extraordinary X-Men/Avengers did prior to the DoX retcon?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Icefanatic View Post
    People routinely compare fascists with Antifa.

    Antifa members routinely break out store windows, set cars on fire and beat reporters and innocent bystanders with bicycle locks in the name of fighting fascism. They generally behave like violent anarchists who use their stance against fascists and those they falsely accuse of fascism to try and paint themselves as a force for good.

    I see little difference between Antifa and fascists groups like the Proud Boys other than the phony excuses they use to justify their evil behavior.
    .....you know those flatscans that equate XForce to the MLF ?
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    Quote Originally Posted by FluffyCyclopsRLZ View Post
    Isn't that basically what the Extraordinary X-Men/Avengers did prior to the DoX retcon?
    Hmm.

    Quote Originally Posted by BroHomo View Post
    .....you know those flatscans that equate XForce to the MLF ?
    Antifa/Proud Boys would be more like MLF/The Right

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