Villains Endgame - Expendables and Survivors

[Mel Dyer]

I didn't want to hi-jack or muddle the 'redeemable villains' thread, with a similar or opposite premise; ..so,here we are.

Imagine that some COSMIC event has Wonder Woman's better and lesser known super-villains gathered into one place, at the edge of our universe, ..and that place is about to be destroyed! There will be a galaxy-razing, cosmic explosion, and you must select the TEN wonder-rogues, ..who will survive.

Start Wonder Woman's rogues gallery over, with TEN super-villains! WHO will they be?

Important: This is INSTANT DEATH. The expendables you eliminate, ..die, as they are presently shown in the comic! The survivors you save, ..emerge, exactly as they are portrayed in the WW comic! That means your selection of WHO LIVES should be based whatever powers, motivations, origins and backstories, these villains ..already have. Please do NOT enhance, reboot, re-imagine or re-characterize any of your ten survivors. Please do NOT start or encourage discussion of re-imagining Wonder Woman's super-villains.

Example: My version of Queen Clea is First Born's daughter, who is indestructible and can't be killed! I envision Cheetah, as an Amazon and Diana's childhood BFF, so...can't kill her off! Whatever villains you eliminate, you leave on the cutting room floor, exactly as they are, in the WW comic.

Do NOT trivialize, dismiss or ridicule any postors' selections, even in jest, ..as stupid or crazy or anything else negative, for any reason. We just don't do that to each other, here.

WELCOME for discussion? Feel free to post your list and go ..or join the rousing, nuanced, provocative discussions, so typical on the CBR Wonder-boards. Edit and resubmit your survivors list or...

Submit a NEW list, if you like! Discuss your reasons for selecting your ten survivors, why you picked them ..or why you think your ten are essential and can't be done, without.

Here's my ten! You don't have to, ..but, I've marked superheroes 'GA' to mean Golden Age.

Warmaster (GA)
First Born
Doctor Cyber
Queen of Fables
The Adjudicator
Atomia (GA)
Doctor Psycho (GA)
Super Woman
Cheetah (GA)
Queen Clea (GA)

[Gaius]

Hmm

Cheetah (Rebirth)
Circe (Rebirth)
Ares (Post-Crisis)
Veronica Cale
Dr. Poison
Dr. Psycho
Dr. Cyber (Rebirth)
Giganta
Paula Von Gunther
Queen Clea

[Nyssane]

1. Cheetah
2. Circe
3. Giganta
4. Doctor Psycho
5. Queen Clea
6. Silver Swan
7. Doctor Poison
8. Blue Snowman
9. Zara
10. Doctor Cyber

[Koriand'r]

Circe
Veronica Cale and Godwatch (Dr. Cyber, Cheetah and Team Poison)
Silver Swan
Dr. Psycho
Queen Clea and Villainy Incorporated (Giganta, Gundra, Cheetah, Hypnota, Blue Snowman and Dr. Poison)
Superwoman
Grail
Warmaster
Devastation
Astarte

[Mel Dyer]

Great lists, amigos! Clever selections, ..but, please resist listing villain teams, as single units.

Remember ..this is basically starting the rogues gallery over, with ten, individual super-villains! That's all who will survive. What super-villains are ready for a new WW era, ..as is? Considering WHO you picked, ..is there a worthy archenemy in your list?

[WonderScott]

Ooooooo fun!

1. Cheetah
2. Eviless
3. Circe
4. Doctor Psycho
5. Giganta
6. Doctor Cyber
7. Superwoman
8. Queen Clea
9. Angle Man
10. Queen of Fables

[Perseus]

Dang, this really is a lot harder than I originally thought.... Ok... uh....

1. Ares
2. Circe
3. Cheetah
4. Atomica
5. Dr. Cyber
6. First Born
7. Aegeus
8. Alkolyne (and her 3 sisters, if they count as one)
9. Dr. Psycho
10. Silver Swan

[Mel Dyer]

Dang, this really is a lot harder than I originally thought.... Ok... uh....

1. Ares
2. Circe
3. Cheetah
4. Atomica
5. Dr. Cyber
6. First Born
7. Aegeus
8. Alkolyne (and her 3 sisters, if they count as one)
9. Dr. Psycho
10. Silver Swan

The 'instant death' thing makes this, so hard. Aegeus, Circe and Atomia - as they are - were picks I really struggled with.

[Gaius]

Think I'd swap out Von Gunther on my list with someone like Alkolyne or Angle Man since I think Cale's a better modern successor that doesn't have the baggage of being tied up with the Nazis.

[Mel Dyer]

Think I'd swap out Von Gunther on my list with someone like Alkolyne or Angle Man since I think Cale's a better modern successor that doesn't have the baggage of being tied up with the Nazis.

Veronica Cale is one of my favorite Wonder-villains, but, one thing kept her off my 'ten ride-or-die' list: too much like a female Lex Luthor. I really would like to see her more distinguished from Luthor, even if it meant giving her a meta-situation, like giving her a faceless face (like her daughter had) or making her weird, in some other supernatural way. It would have been interesting to see her incorporate some of Baroness Von Gunther's (now, 'Warmaster's) more direct and physical means ..to threaten the leading lady.

Notice that Warmaster is listed, at the top of my selections. I also agree with you that Cale, with no changes, whatsoever, is the perfect modernization of the Baroness and belongs on a 'ten best, as-is' list.

My ten endgame picks, again:
Warmaster (GA)
First Born
Doctor Cyber
Queen of Fables
The Adjudicator
Atomia (GA)
Doctor Psycho (GA)
Super Woman
Cheetah (GA)
Queen Clea (GA)

Marked superheroes 'GA' to mean Golden Age.

The instant death/as-is part of this challenge makes it really, really hard, but, I hope more of you will try it, anyway. It really does give us insight into what Wonder-rogues need an editorial push, right now - namely, more exposure in good, imaginative stories.

[Mel Dyer]

Veronica Cale is one of my favorite Wonder-villains, but, one thing kept her off my 'ten ride-or-die' list: too much like a female Lex Luthor. I really would like to see her more distinguished from Luthor, even if it meant giving her a meta-situation, like giving her a faceless face (like her daughter had) or making her weird, in some other supernatural way...I also agree with you that Cale, with no changes, whatsoever, is the perfect modernization of the Baroness and belongs on a 'ten best, as-is' list.

The instant death/as-is part of this challenge makes it really, really hard, but, I hope more of you will try it, anyway. It really does give us insight into what Wonder-rogues need an editorial push, right now - namely, more exposure in good, imaginative stories.

As I recall, another thing I was trying to avoid was saving EVERY-body. How man times have we wound up with the same, rambling, yet beloved rogues' list, the mere contemplation of which compels us to start repairing and upgrading them? Truthfully, I believe the WW comic has some a-listers that are ready to stand on par, with everyone else's rogues, ..as is.

Maybe, the OP could have named this thread, "Do NOT Revamp a Wonder Woman Villain"...?

[Gaius]

Veronica Cale is one of my favorite Wonder-villains, but, one thing kept her off my 'ten ride-or-die' list: too much like a female Lex Luthor. I really would like to see her more distinguished from Luthor, even if it meant giving her a meta-situation, like giving her a faceless face (like her daughter had) or making her weird, in some other supernatural way. It would have been interesting to see her incorporate some of Baroness Von Gunther's (now, 'Warmaster's) more direct and physical means ..to threaten the leading lady.

Notice that Warmaster is listed, at the top of my selections. I also agree with you that Cale, with no changes, whatsoever, is the perfect modernization of the Baroness and belongs on a 'ten best, as-is' list.

I don’t really need Cale need to be a physical threat since I think other villains have that, main motivation for dropping Von Gunther is that she’s kind of redundant after the other ones picked

[Jcogginsa]

1. Cheetah
2. Circe
3. Ares
4. Silver Swan
5. Dr. Psycho
6. Queen of Fables
7. Angle Man
8. Doctor Cyber
9. Veronica Cale
10. Gundra

Note: Paula von Gunther would not be present in the room by virtue of having been reformed and becoming part of Wonder Woman's supporting cast