Mini Martial Arts Tournament Round 1

[Jcogginsa]

This is a martial arts tournament.

Physical stats are equalized, the name of the game here is skill land technique.

The battles all take place in the Budokai arena from Dragonball.

Victory can come via Knock-out, pinfall, surrender, or ring-out. Killing is not permitted.

Here are the matches of round one, created via RNG


1. Kenshiro vs Chang Koehan
2. Val Armorr vs Master Roshi
3. Jin Mo-Ri vs Shio Sakaki
4. Po the Panda vs Samurai Jack

[Nik Hasta]

1. Kenshiro vs Chang Koehan

Okay, so assuming this is the big dude from King of Fighters, I'm struggling to see how Kenshiro doesn't flatten him. Chang has no great showings of techniques to speak of; he's a big dude who swings a ball and chain around. He's literally the kind of mook Kenshiro walks through without noticing.

Kenshiro destroys his weapon with Nanto Seiken techniques and then taps Chang on the upper lip and puts him into a painless sleep because he's playing with the kid gloves.

2. Val Armorr vs Master Roshi

KJS being able to choose Val is kind of ridiculous but that's the timeline we're in.

Roshi is very skillful and has a vastly superior range game to his name. Val has... well... all of his Val stuff. The equalisation of stats makes this a lot more contestable though. I'm leaning Val but there's an argument for Roshi here.

3. Jin Mo-Ri vs Shio Sakaki

This is the hardest one to call for me in this round. Assuming that this is all hand-to-hand, Yeoui, Armour Suit and Gendouwon are off the table, that leaves Mori with just his raw Renewal Taekwon. However, he's also a skill monster so it's not like he can just do the straight fist fight thing. He's also demonstrated terrifying adaptability as well which won't make this fun for Sakaki. Sakaki is... perhaps... the more skilled of the two but the longer the fight goes on, the quicker that gap closes.

Question for Jcogg - where do we stand on Jaebongchim for enhancing stats? Mori is capable of multiplying his stats to achieve absurd levels just by tapping himself on the side of the head. Even if he is brought down to the comparatively weak and fragile Sakaki, he should still be able to amp himself to kick a hole in a city or something if he wants but I fear that might go against the spirit of the matches.

On the same note, for my own, match can Kenshiro use the many techniques at his disposal to augment his massively reduced stats?

4. Po the Panda vs Samurai Jack

Equalised speed and strength and no weapon for Jack leaves him without a great option for getting through Po's fat durability. I would back the Panda despite Jack being more skilled.

[Jcogginsa]

Okay, so assuming this is the big dude from King of Fighters, I'm struggling to see how Kenshiro doesn't flatten him. Chang has no great showings of techniques to speak of; he's a big dude who swings a ball and chain around. He's literally the kind of mook Kenshiro walks through without noticing.

Kenshiro destroys his weapon with Nanto Seiken techniques and then taps Chang on the upper lip and puts him into a painless sleep because he's playing with the kid gloves.



KJS being able to choose Val is kind of ridiculous but that's the timeline we're in.

Roshi is very skillful and has a vastly superior range game to his name. Val has... well... all of his Val stuff. The equalisation of stats makes this a lot more contestable though. I'm leaning Val but there's an argument for Roshi here.



This is the hardest one to call for me in this round. Assuming that this is all hand-to-hand, Yeoui, Armour Suit and Gendouwon are off the table, that leaves Mori with just his raw Renewal Taekwon. However, he's also a skill monster so it's not like he can just do the straight fist fight thing. He's also demonstrated terrifying adaptability as well which won't make this fun for Sakaki. Sakaki is... perhaps... the more skilled of the two but the longer the fight goes on, the quicker that gap closes.

Question for Jcogg - where do we stand on Jaebongchim for enhancing stats? Mori is capable of multiplying his stats to achieve absurd levels just by tapping himself on the side of the head. Even if he is brought down to the comparatively weak and fragile Sakaki, he should still be able to amp himself to kick a hole in a city or something if he wants but I fear that might go against the spirit of the matches.

On the same note, for my own, match can Kenshiro use the many techniques at his disposal to augment his massively reduced stats?



Equalised speed and strength and no weapon for Jack leaves him without a great option for getting through Po's fat durability. I would back the Panda despite Jack being more skilled.

1. In terms of special techniques, things like the Kamehameha would be allowable.
2. As for Jin-Mo-Ri's ability to amp himself, assume that he starts the fight at the peak of his physical strength, and that is what his opponent is equalized to.
3. Weapon specialists do get to use their weapons.

[Nik Hasta]

1. In terms of special techniques, things like the Kamehameha would be allowable.
2. As for Jin-Mo-Ri's ability to amp himself, assume that he starts the fight at the peak of his physical strength, and that is what his opponent is equalized to.

So... wait, if Mori amps himself, does that mean Sakaki just gets stronger in return?

If Kenshiro amps his speed or strength with Raibo Shinkyaku or Dragon's Breath, does Chang get a similar boost?

Just want to be clear on the rules here.

3. Weapon specialists do get to use their weapons.

Well, that's both good and bad for Jack. His blade can't cut good people if I recall right and I would think that Po qualifies for that so he can't actually use his sword here beyond as a club.

[Nik Hasta]

Also, if weapon specialists get their weapons, does Mori get Yeoui? He is a master of the staff and both he and his clone (whose knowledge and training he has absorbed) trained to a level of control and skill that impressed weapon masters in their setting.

If he does get Yeoui then this becomes a very different and considerably shorter fight.

Unless we're nerfing weapons somehow as well?

Also, just remembered for my assessment of Sakaki versus Mori. Clones. Mori summons like... a single clone and then it's two on one and Sakaki isn't going to win that.

[Jackalope89]

Roshi and Val...
Has Val ever fought in a tournament before? Simply asking, because Roshi is going into this extremely experienced in the tournament format and rules.

And, I think it deserves to be mentioned, what version of Val is this? Because some can use energy blasts, others cannot. If he can't, that gives Roshi a distinct edge. If he can, it becomes far more interesting.

[Darth Drizzle]

1. Kenshiro vs Chang Koehan
--I think Kenshiro simply overwhelms Chang here. Ken has a ton more feats than Chang and has shown multiple techniques that can put him down and take the win.

2. Val Armorr vs Master Roshi
--This is the best all out match up in the first round. Val has the upper hand in close combat over Roshi with his various "skills" that he bust out and counter Roshis physical attacks. While Roshi has the better ranged game with various Ki blasts and his AOE Containment Wave. If Roshi plays it safe and AOE's Val at a distance than it's his fight to lose. But if Val can counter the blasts and get up close to Roshi then the Hermit goes down. No clear winner imo yet.

3. Jin Mo-Ri vs Shio Sakaki
__Shio is a great character and Mentor but his fighting style wouldn't be a good match up against Jin here. Sakaki is more of a straight up brawler/fighter who would try and overwhelm Jin with his size and power while Jin with his experience from fighting God's and Monsters and humans who use his own techniques and even some who adapt to styles on the fly has multiple ways to counter him.

Whether it's overwhelming him with clones, or using Yeoui to block and counter Sakakis more forceful attacks, and his Renewel/Recoiless Techniques to quickly strike and keep him off balance the whole fight, it's Jin Mori who would come out the winner here.

4. Po the Panda vs Samurai Jack
__I think Po can take this. He has the better hth combat abilities and the better damage soak compared to Jack. Tho Jack has him in reflex speed and his sword skills are going to be a problem, but after a long duel I am leaning Po but can change with more input.

[FrenchGemini]

Right, my votes

1: Kenshiro, as noted above, too many feats
2: In Muten Roshi and his esoterics (from hypnosis to this electric paralysing attack, to the Mafuba if we spot him a container) I trust.
3: Jin Mo-Ri does seem to have too much on his side to lose against my boy Sakaki.
4: I'd say Jack, he is skilled in many martial arts, by the end of the series, he has cumulated, from the start of his training to the moment he kills Aku, at least sixty years of experience

[Jcogginsa]

Reminder that you have until tomorrow at Midnight to vote

[Darth Drizzle]

Alright, since I think no more input is coming I will vote
Kenshiro
Val
Jin Mori
Po

[Jackalope89]

1. Kenshiro
2. Master Roshi
3. Shio Sakaki
4. Samurai Jack

[Jcogginsa]

5 hours and 10 minutes remain until the polls close