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    Quote Originally Posted by Revolutionary_Jack View Post
    So how does that counter what I am saying?
    Because what you're basing your opinion on Stark about that subject is cherrypicking.


    No.
    That panel's from the first issue, that series has been like that from the start. It didn't just turn into a parody with warped characters.

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    Such words like “loser” don’t apply to Peter Parker…
    He’s the one who has never sacrified his “Spider-man duties” to his personal life… It would be more the opposite: he sacrified his personal life to his “Spider-man duties”. So he never had only success, achievement in mind…
    What he succeed in is saving a lot of people…

    The other heroes look like “hobbyists” compared to him…

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zelena View Post
    Such words like “loser” don’t apply to Peter Parker…
    He’s the one who has never sacrified his “Spider-man duties” to his personal life… It would be more the opposite: he sacrified his personal life to his “Spider-man duties”. So he never had only success, achievement in mind…
    What he succeed in is saving a lot of people…

    The other heroes look like “hobbyists” compared to him…
    Pretty much this.
    The spider is always on the hunt.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zelena View Post
    Such words like “loser” don’t apply to Peter Parker…
    He’s the one who has never sacrified his “Spider-man duties” to his personal life… It would be more the opposite: he sacrified his personal life to his “Spider-man duties”. So he never had only success, achievement in mind…
    What he succeed in is saving a lot of people…

    The other heroes look like “hobbyists” compared to him…
    ^This! x10
    The city I once knew as home is teetering on the edge of radioactive oblivion

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zelena View Post
    Such words like “loser” don’t apply to Peter Parker…
    He’s the one who has never sacrified his “Spider-man duties” to his personal life… It would be more the opposite: he sacrified his personal life to his “Spider-man duties”. So he never had only success, achievement in mind…
    What he succeed in is saving a lot of people…

    The other heroes look like “hobbyists” compared to him…
    Totally. I've always loved that scene in Sensational Spider-Man Vol 2 where The One Above All shows Peter all the people he's saved just when he is considering if anything he did was worth it. It really drives this point home.


    There is nothing about this that resonates with being a loser.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JTHM View Post
    Totally. I've always loved that scene in Sensational Spider-Man Vol 2 where The One Above All shows Peter all the people he's saved just when he is considering if anything he did was worth it. It really drives this point home.


    There is nothing about this that resonates with being a loser.
    Indeed. It's a very beautiful moment in an issue full of them.
    The spider is always on the hunt.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zelena View Post
    Such words like “loser” don’t apply to Peter Parker…
    He’s the one who has never sacrified his “Spider-man duties” to his personal life… It would be more the opposite: he sacrified his personal life to his “Spider-man duties”. So he never had only success, achievement in mind…
    What he succeed in is saving a lot of people…

    The other heroes look like “hobbyists” compared to him…
    Most of the other heroes are full time superheroes. Peter still has a secret identity and a job outside of superhero work. If anyone comes across as a hobbyist, it would be him.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Agent Z View Post
    Most of the other heroes are full time superheroes. Peter still has a secret identity and a job outside of superhero work. If anyone comes across as a hobbyist, it would be him.
    Spider-Man is not a hobby to Peter, it is a job. Read ASM 50 and Spider-Man Requiem and you will understand. Someone like Bruce Wayne who can pay 1,000 extra cops a month and it would be pocket change is a hobbyist, Tony Stark who funds The Avengers is a hobbyist as well. Same for most heroes ( Matt Murdock who treats Daredevil as a job is an exception). What makes Parker and Murdock different is they deal with the average person instead of Space Aliens. Right now Peter ( along with Logan) is filling in for the Fantastic Four. Why? Because the FF are in outer space and Peter is needed to protect New York. In the upcoming ASM 46 Peter will be dealing with Sin Eater and Avengers level villains. Why? Because the Avengers are dealing Kree and Scrull issues ( way above his pay grade). Why does he do it? Because he understands the need for Spider-Man. Maybe that will lessen as Miles gets to play a larger role, but for now, Peter is still needed to protect New York.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Agent Z View Post
    Most of the other heroes are full time superheroes. Peter still has a secret identity and a job outside of superhero work. If anyone comes across as a hobbyist, it would be him.
    I never said that the other heroes were hobbyists… just that, compared to Peter Parker, they look like hobbyists.
    Peter Parker isn’t rich like Tony Stark or Bruce Wayne, those latter can do what they want of their time but, for Peter Parker, being Spider-man cannot be a full-time job. And still… how many hours did he spend patrolling above New-York, hopping from a building to another until someone needs him? You cannot judge his professionnal life without taking that in account.

    Peter Parker’s grandeur is that, logically, he cannot afford to spend so much time being a super-hero —  he could have found many excuses for not doing it — but he found the time. Because it was that important. Few heroes have this level of dedication.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zelena View Post
    I never said that the other heroes were hobbyists… just that, compared to Peter Parker, they look like hobbyists.
    Peter Parker isn’t rich like Tony Stark or Bruce Wayne, those latter can do what they want of their time but, for Peter Parker, being Spider-man cannot be a full-time job. And still… how many hours did he spend patrolling above New-York, hopping from a building to another until someone needs him? You cannot judge his professionnal life without taking that in account.

    Peter Parker’s grandeur is that, logically, he cannot afford to spend so much time being a super-hero —  he could have found many excuses for not doing it — but he found the time. Because it was that important. Few heroes have this level of dedication.
    You are exactly right. I would add more trying to maintain relationships ( MJ, Felicia etc) as well. Now to be fair, MJ did not understand the need for Spider-Man, and to her credit grew up and got it, but for most of his existence she did not, and none of the other ladies ( Felicia excluded) did not know why he was leaving them for Spider-Man work.

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    It really comes off annoying that "regular" superhero work is now considered to be beneath the Avengers (by the writers).

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    Quote Originally Posted by PCN24454 View Post
    It really comes off annoying that "regular" superhero work is now considered to be beneath the Avengers (by the writers).
    Amen.



    Someday Spider-Man or someone needs to drop this to the Avengers.

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    No, he's has many more successful adventures than unsuccessful adventures. I'd like to see him back full time with MJ though.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PCN24454 View Post
    It really comes off annoying that "regular
    " superhero work is now considered to be beneath the Avengers (by the writers).
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    It is very true. Basically it is an elitism that you see in The Avengers. That is why you rarely see them interact with average people, and those who do ( like Peter) are treated as comedy relief. The pathetic thing about this is in a fight against most Avengers Peter would win that battle. The exceptions being Thor and Captain Marvel.

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    Regular work being "beneath" the Avengers wasn't a thing prior to the MCU. The effect of the them blowing up in popularity while Spider-Man/X-Men/Fantastic Four were at competing studios, combined the corporate decision to treat the Netflix heroes as living in Universe B, is what lead to all of this.

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