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    Default Spider-man and the Police.

    I been reading Spider-man all my life and yeah Read the Lee/Ditko, Lee/Romita, the Conray run, all way to today, and this relate to the current climate but I would to start a thread and talk about Spidey relationship with the Law. His relationship always been inconsistent depending the writer. a decade Spider-man was a wanted man ever since he was blamed by George Stacy death and then Gwen's and well everytime Peter had a run with cops, he always mean't with hostility, there been instances of a few cops giving him the benefit doubt and even showing gratitude. but yeah most of the 70s, Spidey always had to run from the Law, athough in Marvel team up he made friends with Jean DeWolfe which she actually got a uncomfortable Spidey in the police station, i guess it made it easier that Iron-man was there with him. but yeah I think once DA Tower got the charges drop on the Stacy's murder, the police eased up on Spidey. there's of course the occassional misunderstanding and a awkward situation where Spidey was in the process of stopping a crime but the cop assume he's doing it. but as his friendship with DeWolfe got stronger, Cops went easy on the web-crawler. He did had a rivalry with Lt Kris Kreating who hated the Web slinger and made a unlikely ally with
    the tough Detective Snider in Roger Stern run. but yeah in the 80s he had a few friends in the force but for the most part he's not well liked. of course he lost his strongest ally Jean to Sin-eater by betrayal by another ally in the force, Stan Carter. Kreating got on Spidey case in Peter David run which turn out to be the Foreigner who killed and replaced him but was cleared, Francois Turk was also another reasonable authority figure during Gang War athough Peter was met with hostility(Even refusing the Webhead offer to help save lives from burning buildings. it wasnt that a things got so bad that cop the refused Spidey help finally took up his offer). I think things didnt get so bad until the unmasking(before that, theres Norman's frameup in post clone saga, Bugle reward money in Millar run that got bad) and well it was bad athough he did got had a friendly relationship with Detective Lamont during JMS run who actually convinced him to escape to rescue MJ in the famous Fraction sensational annual, but i think Im starting to see the crummy side of the force when came the spider-tracer saga, it was so bad that there was a whole conspiracy of cops messing with and planting with evidence on murders scenes so SPidey get the blame(which means the real victims murders wont get solved and the real murderer will get away) and Peter had a roomate who was in on it. I'm sorry i dont BND era and its unlikable characters like Vin, he was a complete jerk, so his sister so the apple doesn't fall from the tree, even though he did the right thing only after he was sold out by his partner and fellow officers to died, yeah I might have miss things but thats probably the era will Spidey dealt with Police corruption and hostility. anyway he made friends with Yuri Watanabe who was friends with Dewolfe another friend on the force and a Chief that hated his guts in Big Time that had his men to shoot first. so far it been hot and cold. Tom Taylor FNS had Shari Sebbens who was a another ally in the force athough she let Spidey know he's not popular with her fellow police. I noticed in Bendis Ultimate Spider-man athough Cops are alot more hostile and trigger happy on our younger incarnation of Peter and its to the point of stupidity, and transfer to 616, in Spider-men, peter stop a robbery with no property damage and police pull their guns at him told him unmask(at the time i was like, jeez, Spidey is a Avengers and the FF, why is he putting up with that crap). well I notice Bendis does in his various different runs and with the current climate right now. im starting understand as I grow older and see whats going on with the news and the Police Brutality and Incompetance, im starting to understand why Spider-man relationship with the Force varies but usually far from friendly. Im not saying all cops are bad, there's good ones athough at this moment the bad ones are getting all the news. and well its chaos. I also got into more older books and saw comics that deal with Police corruption to the point that the cops there might has well have twirling mustache, like Batman Year One. I apologize if im bring a sensitive issue to a Spider-man Forum just wanted to share of realizing how those in the law not always righteous , any thoughts,

    let me not get started on Police in X-men comics, theres more instanced of Police brutality and excessive force especially in Bendis run but we are here to talk about Spider-man

    if its too soon or too sensitive of a subject, please feel free to delete this, i apologized if this is a inappropriate subject, i thought i would be a interesting thread. im sorry i would delete it but my history in CBR i cant seem to delete threads that I made no matter what I tried. i dont know.
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    I would say it's a pretty complicated thing. It didn't help that for years, J. Jonah Jameson demonized Spider-Man in The Daily Bugle as a menace, and being a respected newspaper publisher, his word would carry a lot of weight with a lot of people, so the NYPD being ambivalent on or flat-out hostile to Spider-Man wasn't so much a sign of them being the bad guys as doing their job to prevent a dangerous superpowered outlaw from operating freely, even if said outlaw was fighting the same criminals as them. Funny enough, as you mention, he did accrue police allies as his saga continued, some relatively high up the chain of command, though the better-known ones either died (Captains George Stacy and Jean DeWolff) or went rogue (Lieutenant Stan Carter or Captain Yuri Watanabe). Then there was the arc where the Spider-Tracer Killer was feigned by a bunch of NYPD officers who resented Spider-Man for "making them look bad" or otherwise overshadowing them with his flashier heroics, so they planted his loose tracers on random dead bodies to make it look like a killer was targeting those people to get at Spider-Man, and one of the cops involved later ended up part of the "Goblin gangs" that were coming up during/after Norman Osborn's Dark Reign.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Huntsman Spider View Post
    I would say it's a pretty complicated thing. It didn't help that for years, J. Jonah Jameson demonized Spider-Man in The Daily Bugle as a menace, and being a respected newspaper publisher, his word would carry a lot of weight with a lot of people, so the NYPD being ambivalent on or flat-out hostile to Spider-Man wasn't so much a sign of them being the bad guys as doing their job to prevent a dangerous superpowered outlaw from operating freely, even if said outlaw was fighting the same criminals as them. Funny enough, as you mention, he did accrue police allies as his saga continued, some relatively high up the chain of command, though the better-known ones either died (Captains George Stacy and Jean DeWolff) or went rogue (Lieutenant Stan Carter or Captain Yuri Watanabe). Then there was the arc where the Spider-Tracer Killer was feigned by a bunch of NYPD officers who resented Spider-Man for "making them look bad" or otherwise overshadowing them with his flashier heroics, so they planted his loose tracers on random dead bodies to make it look like a killer was targeting those people to get at Spider-Man, and one of the cops involved later ended up part of the "Goblin gangs" that were coming up during/after Norman Osborn's Dark Reign.
    The Spider-Tracer Killer arc was actually a highlight of the BND era for me, as that story had so much potential and (could have) given Spider-Man a new type of enemy to fight.

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    Quote Originally Posted by WebSlingWonder View Post
    The Spider-Tracer Killer arc was actually a highlight of the BND era for me, as that story had so much potential and (could have) given Spider-Man a new type of enemy to fight.
    Exactly, though considering that a few of his allies in law enforcement have broken bad in the past, like Lieutenant Stan Carter as the Sin-Eater and Captain Yuri Watanabe as Wraith, maybe he should take a second look. Then again, we do get to see more of his viewpoint on law enforcement as it currently stands in Chip Zdarsky's Daredevil, where having been targeted by the NYPD in the past, he's run out of patience for them treating Daredevil as a criminal when the Kingpin of Crime is currently serving as "Mayor Fisk."
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    Quote Originally Posted by Huntsman Spider View Post
    Exactly, though considering that a few of his allies in law enforcement have broken bad in the past, like Lieutenant Stan Carter as the Sin-Eater and Captain Yuri Watanabe as Wraith, maybe he should take a second look. Then again, we do get to see more of his viewpoint on law enforcement as it currently stands in Chip Zdarsky's Daredevil, where having been targeted by the NYPD in the past, he's run out of patience for them treating Daredevil as a criminal when the Kingpin of Crime is currently serving as "Mayor Fisk."
    And that's a totally understandable reaction! I really wish they did more with that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by WebSlingWonder View Post
    And that's a totally understandable reaction! I really wish they did more with that.
    Yeah, same. I mean, going back to Daredevil, it's been shown in both the comics and the TV series that Fisk has a lot of cops (and other law enforcement officers) in his pocket whether he's "Mayor Fisk" or "the Kingpin," and in light of the longstanding friendship between Daredevil and Spider-Man, one would think DD would give him a heads-up.
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