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    So I'm reading through New 52 for the first time after being mostly a Marvel guy my whole life.

    I'm confused. The New 52 isn't exactly a reboot. Right? For example I read Action Comics 1 - 9. I have NO idea what's going from issue to issue for the most part. I know New 52 was not well received. Was this part of the reason why? Can I expect this level of ... disjointedness ... from every New 52 series?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rizzen76 View Post
    So I'm reading through New 52 for the first time after being mostly a Marvel guy my whole life.

    I'm confused. The New 52 isn't exactly a reboot. Right? For example I read Action Comics 1 - 9. I have NO idea what's going from issue to issue for the most part. I know New 52 was not well received. Was this part of the reason why? Can I expect this level of ... disjointedness ... from every New 52 series?
    New52 is a reboot except for the Batman Univers and the Green Lantern Univers.
    But all the Batman titles other than Batman Inc. and Batman & Robin have a fresh stories !

    I haven't read Detective Comics #1-9, but the first run of Detective Comics is concidere as the worst the New52 era has to offer ! Sorry for you. That's maybe why you don't get what's going on. But I assure you, it has no link to any previous issues. I know that Detective Comics #9 is linked to the crossover "Batman: Night of Owls". Maybe the other issues have refferenced to what's going on in the Batman tilte.

    And not all aspect of New52 are awfull. It's just some aspects are disapointing, but some others are great as well!
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    Batman was rebooted, but didn't restart from year one. Dick, Jason and Tim were de-aged, Tim was always Red Robin, never just Robin, Cassandra and Stephanie were never Batgirl, and in fact were gone (they were reintroduced a few years later). Damian had to be explained as having been artificially aged, as it was no longer possible for him to be 10 years old. All of these changes have now been undone, except for the Batgirls (which frankly, doesn't make sense).

    Green Lantern did indeed ignore the reboot completely. Even though that didn't make sense either.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rizzen76 View Post
    So I'm reading through New 52 for the first time after being mostly a Marvel guy my whole life.

    I'm confused. The New 52 isn't exactly a reboot. Right? For example I read Action Comics 1 - 9. I have NO idea what's going from issue to issue for the most part. I know New 52 was not well received. Was this part of the reason why? Can I expect this level of ... disjointedness ... from every New 52 series?
    No that's not why. There are other reasons. But you may be struggling with understanding what's going on in Action Comics because it's written by Grant Morrison who often doesn't write in a traditional style, leaving people to have the kind of reaction you had. I remember feeling the same way when it first came out.

    If you have any further questions feel free to ask me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rizzen76 View Post
    So I'm reading through New 52 for the first time after being mostly a Marvel guy my whole life.

    I'm confused. The New 52 isn't exactly a reboot. Right? For example I read Action Comics 1 - 9. I have NO idea what's going from issue to issue for the most part. I know New 52 was not well received. Was this part of the reason why? Can I expect this level of ... disjointedness ... from every New 52 series?
    No that's just Grant Morrison and there's a reason why it's disjointed. It's explained around issue #13 or something, and once I realized why he told the story this way, it's actually kinda cool, but it won't be something you realize the first time.

    Morrison's AC isn't exactly a reading/writing method that's friendly to new readers not used to this kinda storytelling, especially in monthly format.

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    Morrison is confusing period.

    Having said that there usually is big payoff and he is easily a favorite writer of myself and many dc fans


    Personally that Action Comics run is awesome especially if you pick up on who the villian is, is a classic "enemy" of Superman.

    I recommend the Superman Wonder Woman run during new 52.

    Action Comics eventually directly ties into the Final Days of Superman and the Rebirth soft reboot and personally New 52 AC right into Rebirth AC up til the 1000 issue is a very sold exciting superman run.

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    So New 52 rebooted some parts of the DCU and Rebirth did the same?

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    Quote Originally Posted by shooshoomanjoe View Post
    So New 52 rebooted some parts of the DCU and Rebirth did the same?
    Basically, But the Rebirth more like "DC:"We screwed the new52 up, So we better bring some elements of pre-flashpoint"
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    Quote Originally Posted by qwertyuiop1998 View Post
    Basically, But the Rebirth more like "DC:"We screwed the new52 up, So we better bring some elements of pre-flashpoint"
    Personally I like

    Earth 2 books
    Worlds finest
    Justice league / Darkseid war saga
    Action comics superman
    Superman wonder woman
    Some of The Flash
    I've heard Batman has lot of good new 52 material

    I know there's more and I continue to collect and read through the new 52 era...

    Some would overstate new 52 issues. But ever era has issues. And new 52 has its share or failure along with some great books

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    Quote Originally Posted by Menacer View Post
    Personally I like

    Earth 2 books
    Worlds finest
    Justice league / Darkseid war saga
    Action comics superman
    Superman wonder woman
    Some of The Flash
    I've heard Batman has lot of good new 52 material

    I know there's more and I continue to collect and read through the new 52 era...

    Some would overstate new 52 issues. But ever era has issues. And new 52 has its share or failure along with some great books
    Concerning Batman, the only very good are the following runs:
    • The Owl Saga by Scott Snyder
    • Detective Comics by John Layman
    • Detective Comics by Francis Manapul
    • Detective Comics by Benjamin Percy
    • Batman, The Dark Knight by Gregg Hurwitz
    • Batman Inc. by Grant Morrison + Batman & Robin by Peter J. Tomasi + We are Robin by Lee Bermejo + Robin, Son of Batman by Ray Fawkes
    • Batman / Teenage Mutan Ninja Turtles by James Tynion IV
    • Li'l Gotham by Dustin Nguyen
    • Batman Eternal by various + Batman & Robin Eternal by various


    Durring the New52 the other great runs are:
    • Earth-2 by James Robinson & Tom Taylor
    • Justice League by Geoff Johns + Forever Evil by Geoff Johns
    • Shazam! by Geoff Johns
    • Wonder Woman by Brian Azzarello
    • Nightwing by Kyle Higgins + Grayson by Tom King
    • Animal Man by Jeff Lemir
    • Swamp Thing by Charles Soule
    • Green Arrow by Jeff Lemire + Green Arrow by Benjamin Percy
    • Aquaman by Geoff Johns + Aquaman by Jeff Parker + Aquaman by Dan Abnett
    • Flash by Francis Manapul
    • Superman: Doomed by various
    • Superman: Lois and Clark by Dan Jurgens + The Last Days of Superman by Various
    • Titans Hunt by Dan Abnett
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    I thought Earth 2 was a terrible, terrible book, the most relentlessly dark and depressing comic I've ever seen. Worlds' Finest was also bad for the most part. Mr. Terrific was one of the most horrifically bad comic books I've ever read. Beyond that, meh. My advice to potential new DC readers---avoid the nu52 like the plague. It's confusing and mostly bad IMO. Get literally any other era and it will be better. Or just get started with something like Justice League: The New Frontier, arguably one of the best comic books in the last 30 years, and one that introduces readers to versions of many popular and not so popular DC heroes, but does something more important, getting the best feel for DC and at its best that I've seen. Or something like The Longbow Hunters, which gives a good intro to Green Arrow, (with a little to spare for Black Canary).

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    Quote Originally Posted by achilles View Post
    I thought Earth 2 was a terrible, terrible book, the most relentlessly dark and depressing comic I've ever seen. Worlds' Finest was also bad for the most part. Mr. Terrific was one of the most horrifically bad comic books I've ever read. Beyond that, meh. My advice to potential new DC readers---avoid the nu52 like the plague. It's confusing and mostly bad IMO. Get literally any other era and it will be better. Or just get started with something like Justice League: The New Frontier, arguably one of the best comic books in the last 30 years, and one that introduces readers to versions of many popular and not so popular DC heroes, but does something more important, getting the best feel for DC and at its best that I've seen. Or something like The Longbow Hunters, which gives a good intro to Green Arrow, (with a little to spare for Black Canary).
    No ! Bad advices from this man.
    New52 is not a plage - Yes the Batman & Superman titles are bad, yes the Justice League title starts a little weak, yes Green Lantern is a bit confusing, yes there are awfull comics - but wait, there are also some fatastic stuff as mentionned before.
    And oh wait ! Other eras have there lot of awfullness too ! The Rebirth era is no better ! The pre-Flashpoint era had lots of confusing stuff !
    No ! Earth-2 is good. No, nothint's great in World's End !
    Indeed "The New Frontier" is marvelous but not good for a new read at all ! You must know each characters to comprehend this comic.
    Yes Longbow Hunter is great ! But is it better than Green Arrow by Bemjamin Percy ? I doubt it !
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    Quote Originally Posted by jb681131 View Post
    [*]Wonder Woman by Greg Rucka
    I don't think Rucka wrote any New 52 WW. Do you mean Brian Azzarello?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Englehart Humperdinck View Post
    I don't think Rucka wrote any New 52 WW. Do you mean Brian Azzarello?
    Indeed, my bad

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    Batman & Robin
    Justice League
    Swamp Thing
    Wonder Woman
    Aquaman

    had some of the better runs at the time. Maybe go with those titles.

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