Liu Kang, Ryu, Kyo Kusanagi vs The Following Fist Of The North Star Characters

[JohnDiggle]

Liu Kang vs Shin
Ryu vs Raoh
Kyo Kunsanagi vs Souther

[The Chou Lives]

Shin: Lou Kang needs Raider Power, otherwise sliced up.

Ryu: Gets killed one first serious strike by Raoh.

Kyo: Needs to get serious fast and if anime scene was canon he can destroy a metal crane with his flames really quick. If he tries simple hand to hand, he dies. ( At Pyramid Souther speed blitzed Ken, Ken needed chi blast pressure strikes to win.)

[Kuro]

Not sure where KOF characters fall in terms of strength, but even beginning of series characters (prequel and flashbacks) of HNK are capable of touching things and turning them into ribbons. Not to mention move well above bullet speeds.

[Len Ikari145]

No, no and no. None of these three have any business tangling with HNK characters. Ryu is the only who might survive if this is him from either the HK or Udon comics.

[Nik Hasta]

I mean... Fire God Liu Kang might have a shot against Shin because Shin has like... very few feats.

I mean, given his presentation and the few feats he does have, he's still extremely dangerous by the standards of MK but he's not like... Raoh for example, who has a ton of feats at a much higher level.

[grampagen]

Liu Kang might be able to take a slim minority of matches against Shin, perhaps a few more as Fire God if he bombards him from range before Shin jumps super high and the screen freezes with NANTO GOKUSATSU KEN.

It's a very, very slim minority since his advantage is purely in having fireballs across a span of 100 feet, and Shin doesn't really have great feats of crossing distances. Once he gets into arm's reach though, Shin's handspeed can catch early Kenshiro. While he's not as crazy as he becomes later, he can still throw 100 punches a second with pinpoint accuracy. With this level of speed, Shin is still able to get a few hits on him.

Ryu beats Raoh...if this is a Marvel vs Capcom incarnation, and even then it's iffy.

Kyo has no business taking on Souther. He's one of the inspirations for the original SNK boss (Geese) and this match is likewise unfair.

[Kuro]

I mean... Fire God Liu Kang might have a shot against Shin because Shin has like... very few feats.

I mean, given his presentation and the few feats he does have, he's still extremely dangerous by the standards of MK but he's not like... Raoh for example, who has a ton of feats at a much higher level.

It's not saying much, but I recall a flashback when Rihaku tells Shin that Raoh's forces are closing in and that they have to retreat or face the might of Raoh. Shin says he is ready and willing to fight against him but Rihaku insists they Shin not engage him because he wouldn't be able to fight Raoh AND protect Yuria at the same time.

Taking into consideration that Raoh at that point had leveled an entire building with the casual wave of his fist (the first episode of Ten no Haou), I'd say that Shin must either be at least that strong or just be an idiot to think he could match Raoh. Not a feat in and of itself, but power scaling does matter, somewhat.

and ISTR that, both Nanto and Hokuto schools were faaaaaaaaaaaaaairly equal in strength during those flashbacks, since they seem to regularly spar/train with one another It's just that as the series progressed, Toki, Raoh and Ken reached plot-device levels of bad assery compared to the other Hokuto practictioners of the time.

[Kuro]

Kyo has no business taking on Souther. He's one of the inspirations for the original SNK boss (Geese) and this match is likewise unfair.

Nah man. Definitely inspired completely from Bloodsport.

[Len Ikari145]

I mean... Fire God Liu Kang might have a shot against Shin because Shin has like... very few feats.

I mean, given his presentation and the few feats he does have, he's still extremely dangerous by the standards of MK but he's not like... Raoh for example, who has a ton of feats at a much higher level.

Wasn't there a Gaiden that had more feats for Shin? I can't remember if that was a thing or not.

[Kuro]

Wasn't there a Gaiden that had more feats for Shin? I can't remember if that was a thing or not.

Jugai was about the same level as Shin and he was able to at least... scratch Ken, I guess and given that this version of Ken is still INSANELY strong, it speaks highly of Shin, I suppose.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9_kgxSbt3eQ

I also think the movie version of Raoh beat the crap out of Shin but that obviously isn't canon.

[Nik Hasta]

Wasn't there a Gaiden that had more feats for Shin? I can't remember if that was a thing or not.

The Shin gaiden actually didn't have that much combat in it. It was pre-war and focused more on expanding the dynamic between Shin, Kenshiro and Yuria.

[Nik Hasta]

It's not saying much, but I recall a flashback when Rihaku tells Shin that Raoh's forces are closing in and that they have to retreat or face the might of Raoh. Shin says he is ready and willing to fight against him but Rihaku insists they Shin not engage him because he wouldn't be able to fight Raoh AND protect Yuria at the same time.

Taking into consideration that Raoh at that point had leveled an entire building with the casual wave of his fist (the first episode of Ten no Haou), I'd say that Shin must either be at least that strong or just be an idiot to think he could match Raoh. Not a feat in and of itself, but power scaling does matter, somewhat.

Yeah, Shin doesn't want none of Raoh.

Rei was, by all observable metrics, a considerably more powerful version of Shin and he got flattened by Raoh in short order.

and ISTR that, both Nanto and Hokuto schools were faaaaaaaaaaaaaairly equal in strength during those flashbacks, since they seem to regularly spar/train with one another It's just that as the series progressed, Toki, Raoh and Ken reached plot-device levels of bad assery compared to the other Hokuto practictioners of the time.

Just to expand on this, it's worth noting that not all Nanto schools are equal and there are a whole lot more of them. Hokuto focused on the "single successor" model so, while they only ever had a single guy, they made sure he was ridiculous. Whereas Nanto have like... what... 108 schools? And you have a bunch of Nanto dipshits who are just cannon-fodder in the show.

Raoh, Kenshiro and Toki are all exceptional but, generally only the Nanto Roku Seiken (the six primary schools) are even close to their league.

Also, Shin is totally the weakest of the Roku Seiken. Except for obviously Yuria. Souther, Rei and Shuu are all comfortably beyond Shin in terms of feats and presentation. Juda... Juda was powerful but he was also a fan of using gimmicks to weaken his opponents so we never really saw how capable he was in fight.

...

Thinking about it, didn't Juda show up in Ten no Haoh...? Souther definitely did. I'll check this, if nothing else, just for my own edification.

[Kuro]

Iirc, Yuda was in TnH but he was basically Souther’s stooge and barely fought at all.

As for Shin, yeah he definitely is the weakest of the main Nanto schools. Still, using Jugai as the scale, he’s still comfortably more skilled than Liu Kang is. Jugai, despite getting steamrolled by Ken, at least for some shots in, albeit not enough to slow Ken down at all.

IIRC, the author basically didn’t even give Shin moves at all because his time in the series was so short.

[Nik Hasta]

Iirc, Yuda was in TnH but he was basically Souther’s stooge and barely fought at all.

I spooled through the clips and he got flattened by Raoh's underling.

Damn, that kinda sucks for Juda. Like, he's a wicked and craven douchebag but he's still meant to be something of a power player.

As for Shin, yeah he definitely is the weakest of the main Nanto schools. Still, using Jugai as the scale, he’s still comfortably more skilled than Liu Kang is. Jugai, despite getting steamrolled by Ken, at least for some shots in, albeit not enough to slow Ken down at all.

IIRC, the author basically didn’t even give Shin moves at all because his time in the series was so short.

The anime expanded on him a bit, there's a lovely sequence where Shin's army rebels against him and he just obliterates like a hundred people while laughing and takes on a knock-off version of the King of Kiba with a speed technique and Shin destroys him. He did have moves.

It's more that he was the template for the whole Nanto Seiken so, as a result, he comes off as a bit generic.

[T51R]

Also, Shin is totally the weakest of the Roku Seiken. Except for obviously Yuria.

It should be noted that near the very end of the manga, when Ken was at his most ridiculous, he pissed Yuria off by not answering Bat's heart and Lynn's feelings for him, leaving a love triangle between them unresolved.

What happened next is freaky. Koukuoh(Raoh's horse) senses death coming, but Ken thinks its just his time. Ken then sees Yuria's image in the sky, and she is not happy. The both of them get hit so hard by lightning that Koukuoh actually dies and Ken gets his memory wiped. Later on, Bat finds Ken and when he figures out what happened, it turns out that Yuria was angered enough by Ken's actions that she caused his memory loss. While she was dead. This fact is reinforced by Yuria actually appearing to Bat the moment he realizes what happened.

So yeah. Yuria might have actually been some kind of monster in her own right, but the only thing keeping her in check may have been her sickness, and her kindness. Ken had to return from the dead to kick Kaioh's arse. Yuria kicked Ken's arse while she was still dead.

HNK2 and the manga ends soon after this.