Restart in an alternate Universe...

[Noodle]

No retcons. Every death sticks. Every decision stays.

It would make writers think real hard about whatever they are doing to a character if there's zero way to "fix" it later.

[Huntsman Spider]

No retcons. Every death sticks. Every decision stays.

It would make writers think real hard about whatever they are doing to a character if there's zero way to "fix" it later.

That should be policy across the board.

[Michael Watkins]

I put all of mine in the two revamp threads

[JudicatorPrime]

Historically, how far back should this alternate universe relaunch go? I'd like to wipe out all of the Avengers 1M BC crap, if I can for starters.

[Michael Watkins]

Definitely get rid of the Avengers BC. I like some of the convenience of SHIELD having a hand in organizing the Avengers. But I prefer that the team start with the original founders. Overall, I like the original set up but with more inclusiveness. Reading those original comics and you’d think that non-white individuals didn’t exist. Same with the lgbtqa community and women who didn’t faint in battle/worry about their hair. The Ultimates got some of it right and some of it horribly wrong. Captain America should still be an ideal. Hulk should still be a sympathetic monster. They tried too hard to make everyone deeply flawed. It’s why I would have no faith in a reboot. These require subtlety. But we’re trusting people who know they will get media attention for controversy to do it.

[Factor]

I guess I'd create an all-ages universe designed as an entry point to the regular MU.
So this universe would star instantly recognizable versions of Marvel's most famous characters in continuity-light series mostly comprised of single issue stories.
I'd borrow the Marvel Action name and just have everything be set in the same continuity.

Think classic Marvel, but with more inclusive casts of characters and more current sensibilities:

8 titles max, 2 a week:
The Avengers: rotating cast of Avengers assembled per mission.
The X-men: the mansion set-up, led by Professor X.
Wolverine & Kitty Pryde: Logan training Kitty in international adventures.
Fantastic Four: the original 4 exploring this continuity's universe.
Incredible Hulk: classic version
Guardians of the Galaxy: cosmic book
Ms. Marvel & The Champions: Waid cast minus Cyclops
Spider-Man: Peter and Miles

I think having titles like this could be good both to new younger readers and for older fans who want a more classic take on their favorites.
This would also allow the main line to continue exploring exciting new directions like Hickman's X-men and Immortal Hulk.

[Holt]

So Hybrid started a thread on a soft reboot that got a lot of heat. I can see from that thread that a lot of people for one reason or another are against reboots.

Glancing through that thread, the negativity almost uniformly stemmed from the specific changes proposed (and the political implications around them) than the actual concept of a reboot itself.

That should be policy across the board.

It's a neat idea in theory but is unenforceable in practice. Inevitably somewhere down the line someone with enough clout (whether it be a creator or new editor) is gonna dislike a past decision and decide to overturn it. Remember when Blackest Night ended with the heroes saying from now on, dead means dead in the DC Universe, something echoed by editorial? Yeah. Good times.

[Noodle]

It's a neat idea in theory but is unenforceable in practice. Inevitably somewhere down the line someone with enough clout (whether it be a creator or new editor) is gonna dislike a past decision and decide to overturn it. Remember when Blackest Night ended with the heroes saying from now on, dead means dead in the DC Universe, something echoed by editorial? Yeah. Good times.

To their credit, though, that did stick for the (maybe) year and a half after until the New 52 and stuff just got rebooted anyway.

[Huntsman Spider]

Definitely get rid of the Avengers BC. I like some of the convenience of SHIELD having a hand in organizing the Avengers. But I prefer that the team start with the original founders. Overall, I like the original set up but with more inclusiveness. Reading those original comics and you’d think that non-white individuals didn’t exist. Same with the lgbtqa community and women who didn’t faint in battle/worry about their hair. The Ultimates got some of it right and some of it horribly wrong. Captain America should still be an ideal. Hulk should still be a sympathetic monster. They tried too hard to make everyone deeply flawed. It’s why I would have no faith in a reboot. These require subtlety. But we’re trusting people who know they will get media attention for controversy to do it.

Deeply flawed is one thing, but the Ultimates --- along with almost everyone else that wasn't Spider-Man and his supporting cast --- were at best a collection of @$$holes and at worst not really any better, morally speaking, than the villains. Come to think of it, some of them later became or were revealed to be villains, so . . .

[jackolover]

So Hybrid started a thread on a soft reboot that got a lot of heat. I can see from that thread that a lot of people for one reason or another are against reboots. I mean it didnt work the 20 times DC did it so I can understand some people being weary. So rather then doing a reboot how about a new world set in an alternate universe like The Ultimate Universe or MC2. I dont want to debate the merits of the Ultimate universe or MC2 or any other alternate world.

I just want to see if you did do an alternate universe world what kind of things would you like to see in it? What would you do differently then the 616 universe?

If this is an 8th iteration of the universe, make the Prime Universe evolve with completely new characters, and relegate the ANAD to be an alternative reality. Really do a full 1961 rehash from start to finish. Start 14 billion years later, and super humans are just starting in the Marvel Universe. We saw a lot of it in “Inhumanity” only recently, so we know it could be done. Kirby did it when he introduced the Inhumans race in the 1960’s, too. But it would have to be really wild, out-there, Fresh super humans. Some ethical, some unethical, all thrown in together, like Battleworld started in Secret Wars 2015. Suddenly, Zombies and Bugs, mixed with super heroes who make a safe world. Chaos to start, then a new set of rules. This time, gather all the ISO-8 magical cosmic cube substance, and make super people from that stuff. Maybe that’s where Ulysses went off to?

It reminds me of the New Universal idea.

[Ultimate Captain America]

Deeply flawed is one thing, but the Ultimates --- along with almost everyone else that wasn't Spider-Man and his supporting cast --- were at best a collection of @$$holes and at worst not really any better, morally speaking, than the villains. Come to think of it, some of them later became or were revealed to be villains, so . . .

The original poster said "I dont want to debate the merits of the Ultimate universe or MC2 or any other alternate world.", so let's stick to that rule.

[your_name_here]

No retcons. Every death sticks. Every decision stays.

It would make writers think real hard about whatever they are doing to a character if there's zero way to "fix" it later.

This. Our characters can grow old, develop, marry and lose loved ones. And it sticks. If things change it’s because of character development nothing more.
Really understand power levels. If the Annihilation Wave are originally written as a terrifying, universe wide threat...they remain that.

[Factor]

Another idea:

An Earth where characters debuted at the time of their original creation and time passes like in the real world.

[Huntsman Spider]

The original poster said "I dont want to debate the merits of the Ultimate universe or MC2 or any other alternate world.", so let's stick to that rule.

My apologies, then.

Another idea:

An Earth where characters debuted at the time of their original creation and time passes like in the real world.

Like Spider-Man: Life Story, but applied to the Marvel Universe as a whole? I'd like that.

[superduperman]

I would do stand alone universes. Each character gets their own universe. No shared universe. Sort of like Marvel MAX. They would be more realistic than the either the mainstream or Ultimates line.

Wolverine: He's the only mutant. Looks older than the mainstream universe. He's being hunted by SHIELD to force him to come back to the Weapon X project. He's looking for X-23. But all he knows is that they made a female clone if him named "Laura".

Daredevil: Wilson Fisk is the most powerful man in New York. He's a beloved businessman who's running for mayor and stands to win in a landslide. But the city has a massive drug problem. Of which Fisk is responsible. There is a name on the street of who runs the drug empire. The police only know him as "The Kingpin" but they don't know his real name. Matt Murdock was blinded by a chemical spill when he was nine. All his other senses were heightened. He knows Fisk is The Kingpin but can't prove it.

Spider-Man: Basically the Sam Raimi movies. Bit by a genetically engineered spider. Given spider-powers. Natural web shooters. Mary Jane doesn't know him. J. Jonah Jameson hates Spider-Man because he's the only vigilante in the city. Main villain is Norman Osborn. Most of the other villains are created by him.

Punisher: A Marine sniper who comes home from Iraq and his family is killed literally the same day he comes home. The cops know his real name but can't find him. The media calls him "The Punisher".

Iron Man: Tony Stark was born with a heart condition and wasn't expected to live to be 30. He makes his fortune designing a device that would compensate for his weak heart. By the time he is 30 he's developing weapons for the military when a terrorist group called the Ten Rings attacks his factory in Asia. They are the ISIS of Asia. They are a group that wants to restore Asia to it's former glory before it had interactions with Europeans. They are wanted in several Asian countries for terrorist attacks and attempts to overthrow their governments. And their leader, a man who calls himself The Mandarin, wants to unite all of Asia like Genghis Khan did. Since the authorities have had no luck finding him, Stark uses his skills to develop a "robot suit" to go look for them. Think the Ultimates suit. Big. Bulky. Needs all kinds of extra help to get into it. And mostly shoots bullets. With one massive "repulsor" weapon that can destroy an entire city if used improperly.

Black Widow: A Russian spy who defected to the United States, she now is the greatest spy on Earth and is deployed only in the most dangerous of missions.

Captain America: Lost in the Arctic sea after stopping Germany from launching the first nuclear missile that was aimed at London, he is found by some Nordic fishermen in the modern day. After his first appearance, no one believes he's the original Captain America because how could he still be alive after 80 years? Soon after, a neo-Nazi group calling themselves HYDRA starts popping up in Europe. Their symbol is a red skull and they all wear red skull masks when they appear on camera. They are deliberately trying to draw out the "new" Captain America because they blame the "original" for the Nazis losing WW2.