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    Quote Originally Posted by Huntsman Spider View Post
    Like Spider-Man: Life Story, but applied to the Marvel Universe as a whole? I'd like that.
    Actually, Spider-Man was the lead character in "Life story", but it applied to all the universe. Captain America, Iron Man, Reed Richards, they all aged as well.

    Besides, the effect could be noticed because that story covered several decades in a short real-life publication time. A universe being published and advanced in real time would require decades for this effect to be noticeable as well, and even then people may not notice it. Ultimate Marvel was the longest of that kind, 15 years, but not even that would be enough: the world of 2015 is not all that different from the 2000 one. If Franklin Richards was born in a FF #1 that started it all, by that time he would still be a teenager.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Huntsman Spider View Post
    Like Spider-Man: Life Story, but applied to the Marvel Universe as a whole? I'd like that.
    Yes, Life Story would be the inspiration, but each series would center around a given mythos through the ages and wouldn't be so focused on one single character.
    So this universe's Spider-Man would be about how Spider-Man the identity developed through time. So it could actually outlive Peter and go on to focus on his legacy.
    So stories set in the 90s and 2010 could actually star May Parker and Miles Morales, respectively.

    This approach could be even more interesting for franchises like the X-men.
    In this line we could examine what the X-men would be like if the younger generations actually stepped up as the main team after the older ones retired.
    So every generation would get their time in the spotlight and the present day would look dramatically different.

    I think this idea has tons of potential. A Luke Cage series set in the 70s.
    A F4 series following the whole life story of the First Family and Franklin and Valeria being allowed to age and eventually create their own teams...

    I would get a brainstrust comprised of Zdarsky, Ewing, Busiek and Mike Carey and just let them go crazy. The possibilities would be endless.

    Ironically, this would be a lot like DC's 5G, but in an alternate universe and created as a homage to Marvel's vast history through the decades.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ultimate Captain America View Post
    Actually, Spider-Man was the lead character in "Life story", but it applied to all the universe. Captain America, Iron Man, Reed Richards, they all aged as well.

    Besides, the effect could be noticed because that story covered several decades in a short real-life publication time. A universe being published and advanced in real time would require decades for this effect to be noticeable as well, and even then people may not notice it. Ultimate Marvel was the longest of that kind, 15 years, but not even that would be enough: the world of 2015 is not all that different from the 2000 one. If Franklin Richards was born in a FF #1 that started it all, by that time he would still be a teenager.
    Chronicling this idea in real time would be the least interesting way to go. I think each series should be longer than Life Story, but cover periods that are at least 10 years old.
    There's no reason to limit an alternate universe to present day stories.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Factor View Post
    Yes, Life Story would be the inspiration, but each series would center around a given mythos through the ages and wouldn't be so focused on one single character.
    So this universe's Spider-Man would be about how Spider-Man the identity developed through time. So it could actually outlive Peter and go on to focus on his legacy.
    So stories set in the 90s and 2010 could actually star May Parker and Miles Morales, respectively.

    This approach could be even more interesting for franchises like the X-men.
    In this line we could examine what the X-men would be like if the younger generations actually stepped up as the main team after the older ones retired.
    So every generation would get their time in the spotlight and the present day would look dramatically different.

    I think this idea has tons of potential. A Luke Cage series set in the 70s.
    A F4 series following the whole life story of the First Family and Franklin and Valeria being allowed to age and eventually create their own teams...

    I would get a brainstrust comprised of Zdarsky, Ewing, Busiek and Mike Carey and just let them go crazy. The possibilities would be endless.

    Ironically, this would be a lot like DC's 5G, but in an alternate universe and created as a homage to Marvel's vast history through the decades.
    Yes, that's better. We can also remake Riri as Tony Stark's daughter. We can start with SHIELD run by Nick Fury, and Phil Coulson since the 2010s.

    A potential problem, however, is that it would require in advance a big outline of the things to do, when to do them, when to introduce each character, what characterization and age give to each one, etc. Specially if we have in mind that the vast majority of Marvel's big characters were introduced in the first decades, even many that became really big afterwards (such as the X-Men). Some good characters and teams were created in the 1990s and onwards, but not enough: the ideal way would be to have each decade be a strong and interesting setting on its own. And that means that some characters should be moved a bit, and introduced at some period that may not be the one of their actual creation. And this conflicts with the way comics are actually made: writers have their own creativity, and many things are influenced by the reception the ideas get. We may plan a FF book and introduce several great characters in it, but if the comic does not sell well, what happens with those planned introductions?

    And what about big real-life events, things like the death of JFK, the Vietnam War, the Cold War, 9-11 or the Coronavirus pandemic? On one side, it may be difficult to make them feel like the time periods if we don't include the big things about them, but on the other, they may not be exactly the same if we threw the Marvel superheroes in the equation (Reed would have found a cure for the Coronavirus in less than a week).

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    Quote Originally Posted by Factor View Post
    Yes, Life Story would be the inspiration, but each series would center around a given mythos through the ages and wouldn't be so focused on one single character.
    So this universe's Spider-Man would be about how Spider-Man the identity developed through time. So it could actually outlive Peter and go on to focus on his legacy.
    So stories set in the 90s and 2010 could actually star May Parker and Miles Morales, respectively.

    This approach could be even more interesting for franchises like the X-men.
    In this line we could examine what the X-men would be like if the younger generations actually stepped up as the main team after the older ones retired.
    So every generation would get their time in the spotlight and the present day would look dramatically different.

    I think this idea has tons of potential. A Luke Cage series set in the 70s.
    A F4 series following the whole life story of the First Family and Franklin and Valeria being allowed to age and eventually create their own teams...

    I would get a brainstrust comprised of Zdarsky, Ewing, Busiek and Mike Carey and just let them go crazy. The possibilities would be endless.

    Ironically, this would be a lot like DC's 5G, but in an alternate universe and created as a homage to Marvel's vast history through the decades.
    I was thinking the same thing.
    Figured Coates would be fit for this kind of series.

    They could cover one decade every year, with 12 issues maxi-series.

    Like if they begin in 2021, there would be:
    Avengers 60s
    X-Men 60s
    FF 60s
    Spider-Man 60s
    (insert other titles)

    Then in 2022:
    Avengers 70s
    Defenders 70s
    X-Men 70s
    Marvel Knights 70s
    etc.

    Or they could begin with the 40s with series about Cap, the Invaders, and maybe Namor and the Eternals

    Once they reach the 2020s, they either shift to real time or they go the hard mode: imagining the future decades.
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    Earth 9006 and I’d make Lady London to be Jessica Drew.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ultimate Captain America View Post
    Yes, that's better. We can also remake Riri as Tony Stark's daughter. We can start with SHIELD run by Nick Fury, and Phil Coulson since the 2010s.

    A potential problem, however, is that it would require in advance a big outline of the things to do, when to do them, when to introduce each character, what characterization and age give to each one, etc. Specially if we have in mind that the vast majority of Marvel's big characters were introduced in the first decades, even many that became really big afterwards (such as the X-Men). Some good characters and teams were created in the 1990s and onwards, but not enough: the ideal way would be to have each decade be a strong and interesting setting on its own. And that means that some characters should be moved a bit, and introduced at some period that may not be the one of their actual creation. And this conflicts with the way comics are actually made: writers have their own creativity, and many things are influenced by the reception the ideas get. We may plan a FF book and introduce several great characters in it, but if the comic does not sell well, what happens with those planned introductions?

    And what about big real-life events, things like the death of JFK, the Vietnam War, the Cold War, 9-11 or the Coronavirus pandemic? On one side, it may be difficult to make them feel like the time periods if we don't include the big things about them, but on the other, they may not be exactly the same if we threw the Marvel superheroes in the equation (Reed would have found a cure for the Coronavirus in less than a week).
    Come to think of it, Life Story did touch on the Vietnam War, the Cold War, and 9/11. With Vietnam, Captain America went AWOL when he saw war crimes being committed by American soldiers against innocent Vietnamese people, while Iron Man and Hank Pym remained in support of the American forces in Vietnam, which made the war last even longer than it did in the real world. With the Cold War, the original Secret Wars had actual global consequences, in that the disappearance of so many superheroes led to the Soviet Union committing to a nuclear strike on the United States, which the remaining superheroes attempted and failed to stop, resulting in an entire U.S. town getting wiped out and a permanently intangible Vision, either physically or psychologically damaged from the fallout. With 9/11, that day turned into an opportunity for Tony Stark to gain political power, becoming Secretary of Defense and pushing for superheroes to become registered as agents of the government, which led to a version of the original superhero Civil War.

    Factor's idea would be a great way to see those storylines, or something similar, expanded and developed further. Let's not forget the 1990s, though, considering that decade had the rise of domestic terrorism in the form of antigovernment militias and lone wolves with antigovernment sympathies, particularly the bombing of the Oklahoma City Building, and at the tail end of it, there was the Columbine High School shooting. It would be interesting to see those events get tackled through the lens of a Marvel Universe where everyone aged in real time from their first appearances, and come to think of it . . . it would also be a great opportunity to comment on the rise and fall of the grim-and-gritty anti-hero that was so popular in that same decade.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ultimate Captain America View Post
    Yes, that's better. We can also remake Riri as Tony Stark's daughter. We can start with SHIELD run by Nick Fury, and Phil Coulson since the 2010s.

    A potential problem, however, is that it would require in advance a big outline of the things to do, when to do them, when to introduce each character, what characterization and age give to each one, etc. Specially if we have in mind that the vast majority of Marvel's big characters were introduced in the first decades, even many that became really big afterwards (such as the X-Men). Some good characters and teams were created in the 1990s and onwards, but not enough: the ideal way would be to have each decade be a strong and interesting setting on its own. And that means that some characters should be moved a bit, and introduced at some period that may not be the one of their actual creation. And this conflicts with the way comics are actually made: writers have their own creativity, and many things are influenced by the reception the ideas get. We may plan a FF book and introduce several great characters in it, but if the comic does not sell well, what happens with those planned introductions?

    And what about big real-life events, things like the death of JFK, the Vietnam War, the Cold War, 9-11 or the Coronavirus pandemic? On one side, it may be difficult to make them feel like the time periods if we don't include the big things about them, but on the other, they may not be exactly the same if we threw the Marvel superheroes in the equation (Reed would have found a cure for the Coronavirus in less than a week).
    Yes, it would require tons of planning and research (into real world and comicbook history), which is why I'd only trust this idea to a few of Marvel's writers (Busiek, Zdarsky, Ewing, Carey etc).
    I think there'd need to be a big bible establishing this universe's timeline to make sure everything fits together. A more complex and detailed version of the 5G timeline.

    As for there not being as many popular characters created in later decades, that would be a challenge, but I think it would be pretty doable:
    From the 00s on, we'd still have the following heroes around:
    - Young Avengers already aged into the roles of the main team. Thor obviously still in his prime. Maybe Steve too due to the serum.
    - The New X-men generation in their 30s. Logan could still be alive and active, but Laura would be Wolverine. Kitty Pryde still alive, maybe as headmistress of the school. And older Storm would be ruling Wakanda alongside T'Challa.
    - Miles Morales as Spider-Man.
    - Ms. Marvel as one of the main new heroes.
    - Franklin and Valeria leading the new F4
    - Ironheart as the leading Iron person.
    And so on...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Huntsman Spider View Post
    With 9/11, that day turned into an opportunity for Tony Stark to gain political power, becoming Secretary of Defense and pushing for superheroes to become registered as agents of the government, which led to a version of the original superhero Civil War.
    I don't think 9/11 would happen in a realtime marvel since everything would be so different that the circumstance that leads to 9/11 would not exist for it to happen and if it did it would be massively different.
    Quote Originally Posted by Factor View Post
    Thor obviously still in his prime. Maybe Steve too due to the serum.
    Thor by real-time would probably be in charge of new Asgard after it got destroyed so many times. steve did age but he was the silver fox version of a superhero; looks like he is in his 60s but can still kill you if he tries, same for spider-mam.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ultimate Captain America View Post
    By the way, Ultimate Marvel, Spider-Gwen and the "Old Man" comics took a wise option: their alternate universe is located within some specific comic books, but the main one still continues uninterrupted for those who want to continue reading it.
    New 52 would've probably been better received had it been a smaller line of AU titles instead of replacing the New Earth continuity. Flashpoint was originally meant to only affect Flash, not the whole universe.
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    My restart would definitely invilve something with simplifying the Xmen. They would be in their own seperate universe with many redundant characters gone. Most likely very little if any stuff with the Shiar. No magic. Death sticks for the most part. No time travel. Not much Phoenix and not as some abstract force floating throughout the universe

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mutant God View Post
    Actually from that Hybrid thread I came up with some ideas of making a new Marvel universe more angsty then the Ultimate Universe lol

    Captain America: Steve Rogers is the son of an Irish immigrant father and Mexican immigrant mother but is raised by his strict Irish grandmother. While in college he is protesting World War III but is drafted and force into the war. There he is giving drugs that turn him into a super soldier and now fights terrorist as America's mascot.

    Spider-Man: Miles Morales tries to balance his life as Spider-Man, living with divorced parents, dealing with racist jocks, and police harassment as both Spider-Man and Miles.

    Old Fantastic Four: Decades ago four people, scientist Nathaniel Richards, nurse Sharon Ventura, soldiers Ben Grimm and Jim Hammond gained superpowers after exposure to cosmic rays during a scientific mission to outer space. They deal with scientific discoveries and aliens.

    Modern Fantastic Four: Four people, young scientist Reed Richards, recently cured Ben Grimm, and rich kids Susan and Johnny Storm, gain superpowers after being exposed to the Negative Zone. While dealing with threats they try to solve the mystery of what happened to the other original members of the FF.

    Captain Marvel: Captain Carol Danvers gains powers after being experimented on by alien terrorists during World War III and deals with sexism in the army.
    A couple of more ideas:

    HYDRA was founded in Latveria by the Zemo family and is currently headed by cousins Baron Helmut Zemo and Doctor Viktor Von Zemo aka Dr. Doom

    Dr. Bruce Banner was the head scientist of Gamma Radiation when the military try to bomb a village in Latveria, suspected of hiding WMDs, but Banner hijack the transport plane and caused the gamma radiated bomb to go off in the middle of nowhere causing himself to be into the Hulk and the plane's pilot Emil Blonsky to be turned into the Abomination.

    The Invaders are a group of Kree "Heroes": General Glory, Captain Mar-Vell, Ronan The Accuser, Korath the Pursuer, Colonel Yon-Rogg, Dr. Minn-Erva

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mutant God View Post
    A couple of more ideas:

    HYDRA was founded in Latveria by the Zemo family and is currently headed by cousins Baron Helmut Zemo and Doctor Viktor Von Zemo aka Dr. Doom

    Dr. Bruce Banner was the head scientist of Gamma Radiation when the military try to bomb a village in Latveria, suspected of hiding WMDs, but Banner hijack the transport plane and caused the gamma radiated bomb to go off in the middle of nowhere causing himself to be into the Hulk and the plane's pilot Emil Blonsky to be turned into the Abomination.

    The Invaders are a group of Kree "Heroes": General Glory, Captain Mar-Vell, Ronan The Accuser, Korath the Pursuer, Colonel Yon-Rogg, Dr. Minn-Erva
    Those all sound like interesting setups. Would Captain Mar-Vell defect from the Invaders, by any chance?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Huntsman Spider View Post
    Those all sound like interesting setups. Would Captain Mar-Vell defect from the Invaders, by any chance?
    Right now I'm saying no because it might be a fun rivalry between Kree's Captain Mar-Vell and Earth's Captain Marvel

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mutant God View Post
    Right now I'm saying no because it might be a fun rivalry between Kree's Captain Mar-Vell and Earth's Captain Marvel
    Yeah, that could definitely be interesting and fun, though you might ruffle some feathers. Ruffle away, I say.
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