Quote Originally Posted by Dboi2001 View Post
Only in name. In character and personality they’re different. Mob boss Luthor hates Superman because he foils his schemes while president Luthor hated Superman because he didn’t like seeing an alien more powerful than him
No, it's in continuity. Same Luthor. There is no Crisis event between those two, that's just writers progressing the character over time.

Yeah but when an immediate threat like say a bomb is at play then he attacks immediately. Why would he wait for it to go to some unknown location? For all he knows it is could explode the ends day. Also this Batman isn’t a myth anymore people are quite aware about him. Instead of instilling fear through a myth he instills fear through pain
If it's an immediate threat why isn't he nuking it from orbit with his Batwing? Because waiting is what he does, he's not supposed to be impulsive - that's what Robin's are chided for. But he doesn't know much, and he ended up stealing it anyway when he knew their location so what was the point of the chase?

How about all the tumbler chases in Dark Knight or when he chased Joker down in Burton movies? Or the animated series where he flies an airplane after villains?
He doesn't do run over people or drop cars on criminals with the Tumbler. He does, however, shield people from the Joker with it. Burton Batman is much more blood thirty than he's supposed to be, and the public's main reference for Batman was Adam West. In '89 he uses the Batplane to take the poison gas balloons away and when when he plays chicken with Joker he fires at surroundings not at people, this is why Joker's able to shoot him down.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZJ1s-1eAoh8

When Batman does that in TAS his plane is silent, people all over Gotham can't hear it coming miles away.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fMLUi_pUb0M

Yes it was. It was Superman believing he wasn’t acting like a real hero because people died under his protection. Superman isn’t doing anything illegal. If there is a flood and you are in a boat and you pick someone up who is stranded that isn’t illegal. He isn’t enacting vigilante justice on criminals just responding to natural disasters like floods
Superman never talks much about it in any detail, with Perry or anyone else. Superman's not doing anything legal, he has no official authority or permission he just does as he pleases. He saves Lois from a dictator by flying him through walls as if this is something they do like a hobby, those two are very casual about that. He had no authority to shut down Batman, either. With implied death threats.

[quote]Batman’s motivations are unclear? Are you sure? I’d argue Batman was more like the antagonist

Superman's motivations are unclear, not Batman's.


Then people would say Superman is a government stooge like in TDKR. Superman has rarely worked directly for the government. Also the government wanted to control him and know his identity instead of working with him.
Read more things about Superman than DKR, things which are in canon or are inspired by canon like Superman TAS. We don't know the whole story what the government wanted because that plot line was dropped when the court exploded. Senator Finch also appeared to be trustworthy and her opinions on Superman when asked was "Superman just is" - hardly how someone acts if they truly thought he was awful. Superman's worked with the government as a free agent, he may not be an office employee but he does work with them that's what Man of Steel got right then dropped it in B vs S for no reason.

When the virus is over I suggest reading Byrne's Superman: Man of Steel TPBs.

And the mcu is “realistic” yet crossbones, a normal guy, survives a building collapsing on him. Hell Nolan Batman was suppose to be realistic and yet it takes huge leaps of logic
This ins't about the MCU, it's about the DCEU and Snyder's was supposed to be continuing Nolan's "realism." For comic book adaptions Nolan is realistic, they're far more bound to reality than Snyder's are which confuses edginess for realism.

What do you mean alienated? And Superman did agree to go to the Supreme Court and give his testimony. And no Superman doesn’t typically do interviews
Someone who cuts off communication from the public and the press would be alienating those people, it's the opposite of what Superman's meant to be. Only when pressed, and unlike most people he didn't give any interviews to the press before hand when he had a chance too. What Superman media have you watched or read? That's not how Superman reacts to the press he's an open book.
Superman isn't meant to be a stoic loner who has no friends, even Frank Miller got that right and Batman himself is like Wolverine - despite being a "loner" he's constantly surrounded by a surrogate family.


Again in the ultimate cut we do see how the people of Gotham are afraid of Batman. It makes it clear that Batman is a broken man. We see the Robin suit and Bruce having nightmares. They weren’t vague hints
Ultimate Cut wasn't the theatrical cut and that's the minimum Snyder could do with Batman. Nobody had these questions with Nolan, Burton or Schumacher. Those are hints not depth in exploring how he feels about those subjects. And he gets more characterisation than Superman!