Being pushed doesn't make a character popular.

[mathew101281]

I hear a lot of people complaining about how Harley Quinn is being pushed over other characters. I even hear people saying she's only this popular because DC is pushing her at the expense of other characters. But isn't it the other way around? Doesn't a character get popular first then the marketing department (seeing that they have a hit on their hands) gets involved. I've seen way to many attempts to "push," a character go down in smoke to believe a character can be made popular just by pushing them.

[manwhohaseverything]

I don't particularly care if harley is pushed or what not. The character deserves the chance as any. But, the problem comes with portrayals like injustice where she was an accomplice to nuking a city. Yet, she is made into a hero. She is later pushed as feminist icon. Yeah! That's where i draw the line. She is a psychotic mass murderer. If she is portrayed to redeem herself. Great. All the power to the people striving to be better. But, don't shove harley is hero nonsense, down everyone's throat. How she is pushed is what i despise. Also, wally should have decked her before her landing the knee. It might have been actually funny.

[Holt]

Harley Quinn has been pushed for sure, but she was also already a popular character even before the New 52.

[Riv86672]

Are we talking about characters in general, or Harley Quinn in particular?

Because like mathew101281, I’ve seen lots of characters get pushed, only to go down.
It is what it is, though.
Comics are no different from any other industry.
TV, movies, music, books, games, toys etc. any time something gains traction, there are meeting rooms full of business ppl mandating that the ‘something’ be pushed and milked for every cent they can get out of it.
It’ll either work and make tons of cash or ppl won’t go for it and it won’t.
In between it succeeding or failing though, it’s going to be everywhere.

[Nite-Wing]

Using wrestling terms for comics is dumb
Wrestling is a carny good ole boy network that makes business decisions based what a crazy ceo or creative director wants. They don't make sound business decisions in wrestling based on what makes them the most money

Most of you are prisoners of the moment and don't even remember anything before 2011
Hell Harley Quinn went through the same redeption arc post crisis but I guess since she was in comic book limbo most of the time back then all of you could ignore it. Now that's she's everywhere alot of you have problems with the "redemtion arc" all of sudden.

DC only became high on Harley Quinn after the arkham games came out and they began to see an uptick in her merchandise numbers as well variants featuring Harley selling more than others that didn't feature her.
That's how DC the business works they only use a character when they see a demand
If there's a lot of demand then there's more content of said character. If you don't like it you can ignore it

FIRST PUSH and THEN BECOME POPULAR!!!
Its logical!!
A character needs to be present, have good feats, need good storylines etc. so he can become popular and then he gets even more pushed.

DC has never done this
Marvel will do this no doubt but DC does not force an unpopular character down people's throats ad naseum

[achilles]

Marvel will do this no doubt but DC does not force an unpopular character down people's throats ad naseum

Hahahahaha!

[Adekis]

I agree that Harley's pushed because she's popular, and not popular because she was pushed.

I do think certain general creative movements with Harley have happened as a way to capitalize on her popularity, but frankly, they're generally good moves.

[Agent Z]

Using wrestling terms for comics is dumb
Wrestling is a carny good ole boy network that makes business decisions based what a crazy ceo or creative director wants. They don't make sound business decisions in wrestling based on what makes them the most money

Most of you are prisoners of the moment and don't even remember anything before 2011
Hell Harley Quinn went through the same redeption arc post crisis but I guess since she was in comic book limbo most of the time back then all of you could ignore it. Now that's she's everywhere alot of you have problems with the "redemtion arc" all of sudden.

DC only became high on Harley Quinn after the arkham games came out and they began to see an uptick in her merchandise numbers as well variants featuring Harley selling more than others that didn't feature her.
That's how DC the business works they only use a character when they see a demand
If there's a lot of demand then there's more content of said character. If you don't like it you can ignore it



DC has never done this
Marvel will do this no doubt but DC does not force an unpopular character down people's throats ad naseum

Marvel has never pushed a character that wasn't popular in one way or another.

[Masterff]

Using wrestling terms for comics is dumb
Wrestling is a carny good ole boy network that makes business decisions based what a crazy ceo or creative director wants. They don't make sound business decisions in wrestling based on what makes them the most money

Most of you are prisoners of the moment and don't even remember anything before 2011
Hell Harley Quinn went through the same redeption arc post crisis but I guess since she was in comic book limbo most of the time back then all of you could ignore it. Now that's she's everywhere alot of you have problems with the "redemtion arc" all of sudden.

DC only became high on Harley Quinn after the arkham games came out and they began to see an uptick in her merchandise numbers as well variants featuring Harley selling more than others that didn't feature her.
That's how DC the business works they only use a character when they see a demand
If there's a lot of demand then there's more content of said character. If you don't like it you can ignore it

DC has never done this
Marvel will do this no doubt but DC does not force an unpopular character down people's throats ad naseum

I DIDNT talk about this..

What I was talking about is this:

Superman for example has many appearances, good storylines, great feats and because of THIS he has become popular.

So this means:

Good feats, good storylines, many appearance makes a character popular, so the push comes BEFORE becoming popular.

[Midnight_v]

Good feats, good storylines, many appearance makes a character popular, so the push comes BEFORE becoming popular.

Hmm... no... that's not really a push. One good author can do that on his own if unimpeded. I think this is people doing this ABOVE the level of one author.

It was never designed that wolverine be as popular as he became. It was really one issue, followed by larry hama's book that started that whole thing if we're honest. If you look back you'll find he
was pretty disliked to start until a fringe small group started to like him.

In fact the wolverine is a better case study on this topic than Harley Quinn.

[scary harpy]

I think I've seen it done both ways...but done badly.

I've seen DC try to push characters into popularity...and these characters went nowhere.

I've seen characters that caught a lot of interest from the outset...and DC did nothing with them.

[skyvolt2000]

Harley like Deadpool was included in stuff for a period of time.

Then both were given minis, team up books and limited merchandise.

They were always around in SOMETHING-event, solo, mini, team books and so on.

They were included in books that were popular and they did more than be BACKGROUND FODDER or a TOKEN.

They were used in books and did not have a constant reinventing the wheel-where he or she is different in every book (see Duke Thomas)

They also benefit from having costumes that are cosplay and marketable. Marketable as in like the Dallas Cowboys, Charlotte Hornets & Oakland raiders. Folks did not care for the teams but care for the color schemes-a simple advertising trick.


Then you look at say John Stewart, Jaime Reyes, Vixen, Cassandra Cain, Aqualad, Jason Rusch, Young Justice kids, Cyborg, Black Lightning and Wally West himself to name a few.

Have won fans over. Yet every excuse has been used to bury or not capitalize on that interest or some pitiful effort.

And these are the same fans who have to sit and see others get pushes or shots that their favorite could not. Others is not limited to DC.

That is how you get fan resentment and fans walking away.

[Masterff]

I hear a lot of people complaining about how Harley Quinn is being pushed over other characters. I even hear people saying she's only this popular because DC is pushing her at the expense of other characters. But isn't it the other way around? Doesn't a character get popular first then the marketing department (seeing that they have a hit on their hands) gets involved. I've seen way to many attempts to "push," a character go down in smoke to believe a character can be made popular just by pushing them.

Actually BOTH!! is TRUE!!!

BUT!! I think most of the time its:

FIRST PUSH and THEN BECOME POPULAR!!!
Its logical!!
A character needs to be present, have good feats, need good storylines etc. so he can become popular and then he gets even more pushed.

[dietrich]

I hear a lot of people complaining about how Harley Quinn is being pushed over other characters. I even hear people saying she's only this popular because DC is pushing her at the expense of other characters. But isn't it the other way around? Doesn't a character get popular first then the marketing department (seeing that they have a hit on their hands) gets involved. I've seen way to many attempts to "push," a character go down in smoke to believe a character can be made popular just by pushing them.

DC is a business. They like money and will get behind whatever makes then the most money.
Characters don't get popular because they are pushed They are pushed or used a lot because there is a demand.

Demand and Supply. That's the way business works.
When a character that isn't in demand is shoved out there then the result is the market isn't increased popularity.
The Result is resentment. Even fans who used to be indirect grow to resent the over exposed character.

Too often I that nonsense claim. Not just re Harley but Batman, Damian Wayne etc. It's just mean spirited and it's usually envy behind it.

Over exposure doesn't create popularity or make fans like something they dislike.
Harley Quinn isn't pushed she is in demand.

[Vakanai]

I hear a lot of people complaining about how Harley Quinn is being pushed over other characters. I even hear people saying she's only this popular because DC is pushing her at the expense of other characters. But isn't it the other way around? Doesn't a character get popular first then the marketing department (seeing that they have a hit on their hands) gets involved. I've seen way to many attempts to "push," a character go down in smoke to believe a character can be made popular just by pushing them.

It is as you said - she's pushed because she is popular. But people who don't like her and are tired of her don't get her popularity so believe she's being pushed on them in a bid to boost her popularity. Rationally people know characters they don't like can be popular, but if they don't feel that way about a character they just don't see it.