X-World without Xavier or Magneto

[Draegwolf]

Right, am I the only person sick of seeing everything go to pot if Xavier isn't around to form the X-Men? Like literally everything falls apart for mutants and the world if he isn't there to rally the mutants together and preach about his dream, we've seen this happen during Age of Apocalypse, Age of X, and to some degree in House of M. The only other real constant in any of these events is that without Xavier everyone seems to rally under Magneto to varying of what could be called success at best and merely surviving at worst. Are we honestly saying that these are literally the only two guys out there that the mutant community would rally under? That no one else would have been able to take their place and supplant them?

I think it would be cool to see an event play out in which Magneto and Xavier have both been removed from the board before either had the chance to establish themselves to their respective causes and where the world HASN'T turned into a post-apocalyptic wasteland or fascist dystopia. In other words an alternate reality in which the world is fundamentally the same save that the players have changed. It would be interesting to see how teams like the X-Men and Brotherhood form without Xavier and Magneto around, particular who would rise up to take their place and how their absence would affect the X-Men as a whole. Rather than focusing on the same core characters (Scott, Logan, etc.) the event could be a good way to give other characters a chance to shine and see how they acclimate to a post-Xavier world.

[Lucyinthesky]

I think we saw the X-men without Xavier and Magneto pre and post HoM, most of the decimation era, Utopia and back at the mansion after their war with the Inhumans. Cyclops was the leader for most of this period, then it was Logan, Kitty on X-men Gold, Storm and Magneto on X-men Blue but he shared most of it with the O5. Multiple man also had a very interesting run with X-factor Investigations that was quite good and even had his doubts about Scott´s leadership,during the Utopia era, withougoing overborad with it the way Logan did.

Before HoM we even had Claremont´s 80´s X-men with Storm as the main X-leader and Scott with the O5 X-men over at X-factor, the 90´s were the time where Xavier shinned the most as leader of the X-men imo.

Now with Hickman we are back with Xavier at the center so I think in the end because of the nature of comics things will be different after Hickman is done with the story. I think he should use more most of the characters at his dispossal and going out with less known X-men who have not had the chance to have their stories told in a long time but this doesn´t mean Xavier or Magneto are always at the center specially since for a long while before Hickman´s era they were absent or as supporting characters.

On the other hand I can understand and agree with the need to see other X-characters besides the main ones, specially Xavier and Magneto, as more than cameos on the different titles, if we could see this I think it would be good for the franchise.

[Steel Inquisitor]

Cyclops vs Jean Grey would be likely successors, him for Magneto and her for Xavier. Storm would be great, too.

[GodfatherIV]

Cyclops vs Jean Grey would be likely successors, him for Magneto and her for Xavier. Storm would be great, too.

Thats actually an even richer dynamic imo to have Cyclops as Magneto and Jean as Xavier

[Riv86672]

Thats actually an even richer dynamic imo to have Cyclops as Magneto and Jean as Xavier

So instead of the MLK/Malcolm X dynamic that Xavier/Magneto had, it would be more of a Dorothy Cotton/Louis X scenario.
Only in this case there’s also a long romantic/sexual history between the two idealistically opposed leaders.
Well that would be some passionate debating and heck of a soap opera rivalry.

[Ferro]

nah its storm and cyclops, it should always be betwen those two.

[crimsontt]

Cyclops vs Jean Grey would be likely successors, him for Magneto and her for Xavier. Storm would be great, too.

This panels represents SO MUCH of the white supremacy being discussed as we speak and the avengers are being much conniving, if not denying, racism and police/government brutality in a really sharp analogy.

[Electricmastro]

“doing nothing”

[whitecrown]

“doing nothing”

Half of these posts have just been hating on Wanda (pretending not to know who she is lol) or Steve. I expect we'll see some hate directed towards Medusa or Carol soon.

I forgot the shade thrown at the Fantastic Four as well. Can't forget that.

[Lucyinthesky]

In this AU I think Xavier could have married Moira so he wasn´t as big a part on the development on mutants and Magneto maybe dind´t lose Anya and had the twins with Magda so he never founded the Brotherhood of Evil Mutants making Mystique the founder on this world but I can see her making an alliance with all the other mutant teams to fight off Apocalypse and this could be the origin for the X-men on this AU similar to the avengers but focused on mutant issues.

[Electricmastro]

Half of these posts have just been hating on Wanda (pretending not to know who she is lol) or Steve. I expect we'll see some hate directed towards Medusa or Carol soon.

I forgot the shade thrown at the Fantastic Four as well. Can't forget that.

All this cold bitterness between the mutants and others like the Fantastic Four makes me miss the days when Claremont wrote scenes like this (X-Men Annual #14, 1990).

[cyclops_was_right]

“doing nothing”

I'm not here to hate either on the Avengers or Wanda, but did the Uncanny Avengers actually do anything about the things Cyke was talking about - did they help the new mutants who were being rounded up by the authorities for the simple fact that their powers had manifested or the way they were treating mutant prisoners?

From Cyke's perspective his stance is pretty justified at this point of time, he had just recently escaped a certain death sentence that awaited him in prison while the authorities would have looked the other way.

Though a lot of the things that wake disdain in X-fans about Steve come from being written OOO in X-books.

But I suppose it's a hard job for the writers, X-writers can't really make it seem like all the heroes are on the X-men's side all the time because that goes against the hated and persecuted and on the other side the Avengers etc. writers can't make it look like their heroes are turning a blind eye when it comes to anti-mutant prejudice.

Which makes a lot of the characters come across as hypocrites when they show up in each others books.

[cyclops_was_right]

Cyclops vs Jean Grey would be likely successors, him for Magneto and her for Xavier. Storm would be great, too.

But would they have these kinds of opinions without Xavier and Magneto though?

I mean Jean's position comes from being one of Xavier's first pupils and Scott's position at this point was formed by his own experience but also at this point of time (well at least since he joined Utopia) Magneto was kinda a father figure for him.

[pkingdom]

Plus a lot of Scott's nastier decisions and actions rose from being trained and treated as a child soldier leader. He's kind of a seriously broken individual because of Xavier and Magneto.

Now I'm curious how an AU of Nick Fury recruiting mutants would have turned out. It could go south with how bad SHIELD has been handled, or go better by having mutants be front and center with more of a law enforcement angle.

[cyclops_was_right]

Plus a lot of Scott's nastier decisions and actions rose from being trained and treated as a child soldier leader. He's kind of a seriously broken individual because of Xavier and Magneto.

Now I'm curious how an AU of Nick Fury recruiting mutants would have turned out. It could go south with how bad SHIELD has been handled, or go better by having mutants be front and center with more of a law enforcement angle.

I mean he was technically already broken before Xavier, courtesy of plane crash & Sinister & Winters, but Xavier taking in an abused kid and turning him into the general of his child soldier army is pretty f***ed up too, if you really think about it.

I don't think Fury recruiting mutants would have been better than Xavier / Magneto though, maybe few of the X-Men individuals' lives would have gone better if they had joined SHIELD, but in general I don't think it would have helped mutantkind in general.