What's that Cyclops page from? I hate those moments.
I said it torpedoed his goodwill because it retconned his very first moments, meaning from day 1 he was lying and manipulating everyone, and not going down that path later. But that's a whole rant that I don't feel like doing now. Frankly he's an incredibly shitty person and everyone shouldn't be giving him the time of day at this point. And that's BEFORE the Moira retcon further buried him in ****. Hell, before Hickman, one of the last stories he showed up in had Jean, Warren, Beast and Iceman meeting over dinner and all realizing that Charles kind of ruined their lives by making them his personal child soldiers. Xavier showed up and basically said tough, and it kind of implied that he mind controlled them right there and then to be happy with their lot in life.
The idea of regional teams/divides is a great one! Its honestly pretty absurd that mutantkind is doomed if two wealthy white guys don't lead the charge. It smacks of mighty whitey type junk. I've always wished that they spent more time seeing how the rest of the world treated mutants.
I feel that Angel would be a much bigger player without Xavier.
Even before the Professor found him, he was a superhero. I can easily seem him deciding to run his own team and try to push his mutant status to further become a celebrity.
Completely agree. Scott would be in Sinister's hands, Jean would be in a coma and also taken by Sinister without Xavier to get to her first, Warren would be a solo hero but probably wouldn't function very long by himself, Bobby would be in jail at best, and Hank would be forced to be a criminal. Kurt would likely have been killed by the mob, Peter would never have left Russia, and Ororo would likely be under the Shadow King's thrall although if she did somehow manage to escape him, she'd likely be worshiped as a goddess or T'Challa would eventually have found her and they'd still get married but much earlier.
I thought that too but it's possible that Cameron Hodge would have sabotaged him back then before Warren ever got a chance to join another team like the Avengers or come out publicly. And Warren by himself would likely have been tricked by Hodge.
I agree. I would have liked to have seen this and it would have been the natural state of things with Jean as Xavier's chosen successor and Lorna as Magneto's.
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In this AU I think Xavier could have married Moira so he wasn´t as big a part on the development on mutants and Magneto maybe dind´t lose Anya and had the twins with Magda so he never founded the Brotherhood of Evil Mutants making Mystique the founder on this world but I can see her making an alliance with all the other mutant teams to fight off Apocalypse and this could be the origin for the X-men on this AU similar to the avengers but focused on mutant issues.
"To the X-men then, who don´t die the old fashioned way and no matter how hard we try, none of us die forever" Uncanny X-Men #270, Jean and Ororo
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But would they have these kinds of opinions without Xavier and Magneto though?
I mean Jean's position comes from being one of Xavier's first pupils and Scott's position at this point was formed by his own experience but also at this point of time (well at least since he joined Utopia) Magneto was kinda a father figure for him.
Plus a lot of Scott's nastier decisions and actions rose from being trained and treated as a child soldier leader. He's kind of a seriously broken individual because of Xavier and Magneto.
Now I'm curious how an AU of Nick Fury recruiting mutants would have turned out. It could go south with how bad SHIELD has been handled, or go better by having mutants be front and center with more of a law enforcement angle.
I mean he was technically already broken before Xavier, courtesy of plane crash & Sinister & Winters, but Xavier taking in an abused kid and turning him into the general of his child soldier army is pretty f***ed up too, if you really think about it.
I don't think Fury recruiting mutants would have been better than Xavier / Magneto though, maybe few of the X-Men individuals' lives would have gone better if they had joined SHIELD, but in general I don't think it would have helped mutantkind in general.
^^^Some ppl think the only way to show they like one thing, is to hate something else.
It’s not exclusive to comics fans. I’ve been to a Bears/Packers game.
Those guys could give these guys lessons.
On topic though, it’d be a nice twist if w.out Xavier and Magneto, at least one of the X-Men’s well known villains ended up taking a different path and becoming a positive influence/rallying point for mutants.