X-World without Xavier or Magneto

[Ferro]

She's a woman who married an android and has a gay and bisexual sons. Hardly a nuclear family. Sure she has, just not in books you've read about her since she's in the Avengers. It's strange that you dislike her for simply being a mutant who wasn't in the X-line. Since when did the X-men ever give her the time of day to do that? Why didn't they reach out? (Because they were in separate line of books.) Yet Sunspot can lead an Avengers team and gets a free pass.



And Cannonball and Rogue and Beast and Namor and Justice and Firestar and Wolverine and

https://nerdist.com/article/14-marve...ers-and-x-men/

but she isnt a mutant and those kids have their own families, especially billy.

[Steel Inquisitor]

but she isnt a mutant and those kids have their own families, especially billy.

She's been a mutant most of her life in publication and she'll be retconned back eventually. You should read Avengers comics, Billy and Speed consider her their mother and vice versa. Billy's been close to her since Children's Crusade.

[Ferro]

She's been a mutant most of her life in publication and she'll be retconned back eventually. You should read Avengers comics, Billy and Speed consider her their mother and vice versa. Billy's been close to her since Children's Crusade.

but she isnt one now? and where's the garantee she will be retconed back when the pretender name fits her so well
and doesnt she say in her solo she barely speaks with them because its extremelly awkward? because each already has a life time witout wanda and billy has actually loving and supporting parents that took care of him.
and no, avengers have the value of a wet napkin for me personally, id rather watch paint dry

[Veitha]

There's still no reason for her to lead any mutant faction, since she never really cared about mutant issues.

[cyclops_was_right]

“doing nothing”

I'm not here to hate either on the Avengers or Wanda, but did the Uncanny Avengers actually do anything about the things Cyke was talking about - did they help the new mutants who were being rounded up by the authorities for the simple fact that their powers had manifested or the way they were treating mutant prisoners?

From Cyke's perspective his stance is pretty justified at this point of time, he had just recently escaped a certain death sentence that awaited him in prison while the authorities would have looked the other way.

Though a lot of the things that wake disdain in X-fans about Steve come from being written OOO in X-books.

But I suppose it's a hard job for the writers, X-writers can't really make it seem like all the heroes are on the X-men's side all the time because that goes against the hated and persecuted and on the other side the Avengers etc. writers can't make it look like their heroes are turning a blind eye when it comes to anti-mutant prejudice.

Which makes a lot of the characters come across as hypocrites when they show up in each others books.

[Steel Inquisitor]

but she isnt one now? and where's the garantee she will be retconed back when the pretender name fits her so well

Not right now, but things change. Where's the guarantee that she won't? Marvel won't change their mind because you think Exodus nickname is "cool."

and doesnt she say in her solo she barely speaks with them because its extremelly awkward? because each already has a life time witout wanda and billy has actually loving and supporting parents that took care of him.

Why wouldn't she find it uncomfortable with that after M-day? That's a normal reaction, especially when she's encountered mutants who disagree with her over it, like Rogue and various X-men. Read Avengers books, this is about facts not how you feel. This erasure of Billy and Speed being her children is unsettling.

and no, avengers have the value of a wet napkin for me personally, id rather watch paint dry

Billy's is an Avenger, as are numerous X-men and mutants. Do you think the Avengers shouldn't have tried to save the world from the Apocalypse Twins? Or Kang? Or Ultron?

There's still no reason for her to lead any mutant faction, since she never really cared about mutant issues.

Sure she does, her life has been defined by them. It's not like mutants haven't been ok with questionable leaders having major influence on their community. Magneto's a big shot and he's routinely tried to conquer the world how many times? How big is his body count? She can't do any worse than his "guidance."

[Veitha]

Sure she does, her life has been defined by them. It's not like mutants haven't been ok with questionable leaders having major influence on their community. Magneto's a big shot and he's routinely tried to conquer the world how many times? How big is his body count? She can't do any worse than his "guidance."

How is any of this relevant to becoming a leader of mutantkind?

All mutants have been defined by being mutants. But some of them have been good leaders and have fought and genuinely cared for the cause their whole life, and have helped them get out of tremendously bad situations. Wanda has never been a leader, she doesn't have a vision regarding mutants or where they should go and she's never even expressed concern over mutants well being.

At this point it'd be the same as asking Carol Danvers to lead the mutants. Very random. Probably Carol would be better.

[Ferro]

How is any of this relevant to becoming a leader of mutantkind?

All mutants have been defined by being mutants. But some of them have been good leaders and have fought and genuinely cared for the cause their whole life, and have helped them get out of tremendously bad situations. Wanda has never been a leader, she doesn't have a vision regarding mutants or where they should go and she's never even expressed concern over mutants well being.

At this point it'd be the same as asking Carol Danvers to lead the mutants. Very random. Probably Carol would be better.

carol is a realist and a pragmatic, id rather have her than wanda who in uncanny avengers only shows contempt and apathy towards mutants and just agrees with the tactic of erasure and assimilation havok wanted and uses her own priveledged experience as the true "objective" xavier's dream was striving for, considering when she was a mutant she fell to the magnitude of her own powers and had 0 understanding of its dept, students at xaviers dedicate more time to understanding their abilities im months than wanda in her entire carrer as an overglorified cop

Carol get's shit done, so yeah, her any day over wanda.

[Riv86672]

But...Carol’s not a mutant.

[Ferro]

But...Carol’s not a mutant.

yes but between the two very impossible non mutants, id pick carol over wanda, you were the one to bring up non mutants to the discussion

[Riv86672]

you were the one to bring up non mutants to the discussion

Actually no I didn’t. Because it doesn’t mean anything to me, in terms of her qualifications to lead.
You were the one who brought up her not being a mutant.

And you were the one who went on for quite a bit about her non mutant status being huge point in her not representing mutants.
And then you said another non mutant was okay w. you.

No one forced you to choose between the two. But the fact that you did tells me a lot about you on this particular subject re:Wanda.
It’s not what she isn’t, you just don’t like her.

You could save yourself a lot of time if you just said that when she comes up as a subject, instead of trying to make it seem some deep philosophical stance. Wanda? Nah, don’t like her. Done!

[Ferro]

Actually no I didn’t. Because it doesn’t mean anything to me, in terms of her qualifications to lead.
You were the one who brought up her not being a mutant.

And you were the one who went on for quite a bit about her non mutant status being huge point in her not representing mutants.
And then you said another non mutant was okay w. you.

No one forced you to choose between the two. But the fact that you did tells me a lot about you on this particular subject re:Wanda.
It’s not what she isn’t, you just don’t like her.

You could save yourself a lot of time if you just said that when she comes up as a subject, instead of trying to make it seem some deep philosophical stance. Wanda? Nah, don’t like her. Done!

but that wouldnt harbor any discussion now would it?
and even if she was a mutant carol would still be better! that's the point that wanda is a terrible sugestion to replace xavier since she's not a mutant as of now, but even if she was any other character would be better than her.

[Riv86672]

^^^again, you could have saved yourself a lot of time there, as all you said in a paragraph just translates to:
Wanda? Nah, don’t like her.

Over & out, as this is just derailing now.

[Alan2099]

There seems to be some aspects of the fandom that have an open hatred for any mutant that doesn't consider being a mutant their sole defining characteristic and who doesn't dedicate their entire lives to doing mutant things.

Seem rather intolerant given than the X-men have historically been about themes of equality and acceptance.

"Okay, this character is a mutant, but they aren't mutant enough."

[Veitha]

There seems to be some aspects of the fandom that have an open hatred for any mutant that doesn't consider being a mutant their sole defining characteristic and who doesn't dedicate their entire lives to doing mutant things.

Seem rather intolerant given than the X-men have historically been about themes of equality and acceptance.

"Okay, this character is a mutant, but they aren't mutant enough."

Wanda was proposed as a face of mutantkind instead of Charles or Erik. Of course we'd talk about her interest towards mutants and how she never was into the mutant cause.