I think I get what you were going for but, again, I don't think Cass is a good example, at least on the comics side.
I mean, I'd say Cass was successful enough to make Batgirl a viable solo series and have it last as long as it did and stay a staple of the Batfamily to the extent where there was enough demand to bring her back after the reboot and all the ill will towards her character from editorial. She may not be as prominent as she was during the 90's but I'd say she's still significant.
Well, in name only.
I would have used her showing up in the Young Justice cartoon over the Harley movie.
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Harley got Worfed this week in a bit of especially un-earned writing. It's not to say the story's over or won't pull out some redemption or anything like that, plus it was spoiled in promo art and previews months ago, but it did finally occur! Worfed to the extreme! It's like New 52 Joker's Daughter all over again! All of this has happened before and will happen again.
I guess Punchline just wanted it more and a passable rationale for how she might get the upper hand in a physical altercation felt like too much work.
I'm not hating on Tynion's Joker War story at all, I just want to be consistent with calling out writers for telling stories where they go all in on shocking or cool moments without any sort of internal consistency or leg work. This is also the second character that's had their throat slit in this arc and will be fine, perfectly fine, so we're looking at redundancy as well. Plus Batman is stabbed and Catwoman is ... shot apparently? These characters feel like voodoo dolls and pin cushions, not humans.
Don't be a Tom King! Explain how things happen and how they work in context. I think there's 50 ways to sell Punchline getting the upper hand on Harley. It's still a text-book Worfing but you can still sell the idea. Just do the math and then show the work. We read detective fantasy fiction. We like tedious details.
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Ha! No she didn't. Some brand new character we've never seen before stole Cass' name.
Okay, bad example then. Maybe I should've used Bluebird instead?
Point stands though; most new characters don't last. Punchline might, but the odds don't seem to be in her favor.
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I'm not a fan of characters being used as mouthpieces for disgruntled creators(Superboy Prime) or a specific fanbase(what Punchline seems to be). Harley was a delusional fangirl and Punchline is shaping up to be a fanatical fangirl, 100% committed to the Joker's philosophy.
I don't understand the hype surrounding the character. Being evil is not being edgy in how you kill people. Boasting about killing homeless people is just low, not something that a villain should be proud of doing. How does a college student get away from the murder of a school dean anyway? Batman used to be telling stories of investigating mysteries surrounding a murder.
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Speaking of which, I'm actually looking forward to this Punchline one-shot: https://twitter.com/thedcnation/stat...56140183638016
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I'm pumped for the one-shot. I'm kinda disappointed it's not a mini series but then again some compressed storytelling will probably result in a better story being told