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    Default Do you think Cassandra Nova should be forgiven since she's a mutant?

    Professor X has apparently forgiven past enemies like apocalypse and shaw and went to seek help from mister sinister.

    Do you think he'll forgive Nova or there's a limit to his agenda?

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    isn't she actually a parasitic alien or something ? she probably would've been forgiven if she was a mutant

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    However Prof X would approach it, I think Polaris would have some words (and hands) to share about it on account of the Genoshan genocide.
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    She is not a mutant

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    Well, they left reformation as a possibility twice now. First when Morrison had her imprisoned in Stuff for rehabilitation as Ernst (which subsequent writers flubbed hard), and more recently when (exasperated sigh) Jean dosed her with empathy. But it's not really clear whether Cassandra is a mutant, as a genetic clone of Xavier she should have an active X-gene, but she is usually classified as a mummudrai.

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    Shes not a mutant in the homo superior sense, she copied X-genes

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    Quote Originally Posted by ExodusCloak View Post
    Shes not a mutant in the homo superior sense, she copied X-genes
    So did Mr. Sinister and they're cool with him now.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dante Milton View Post
    Well, they left reformation as a possibility twice now. First when Morrison had her imprisoned in Stuff for rehabilitation as Ernst (which subsequent writers flubbed hard), and more recently when (exasperated sigh) Jean dosed her with empathy. But it's not really clear whether Cassandra is a mutant, as a genetic clone of Xavier she should have an active X-gene, but she is usually classified as a mummudrai.
    I don't think she even actually has X-Gene hard copied on herself. She copied Charles, but also Donald Trask and I'm pretty sure it's mentioned in New X-Men by Beast that she's unlike any living being that ever existed. So she doesn't fit even in the Sinister loophole.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PrezValentine View Post
    I don't think she even actually has X-Gene hard copied on herself. She copied Charles, but also Donald Trask and I'm pretty sure it's mentioned in New X-Men by Beast that she's unlike any living being that ever existed. So she doesn't fit even in the Sinister loophole.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dante Milton View Post
    Well, they left reformation as a possibility twice now. First when Morrison had her imprisoned in Stuff for rehabilitation as Ernst
    This is the line. The question is clearly set up as some kind of "GOTCHA", but doesn't work since the character chosen is one explicitly stated as redeemable by its creator in her debut storyline.

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    I'd say no because she's a mummudrai, not a mutant

    But that'd be hypocritical of me because I still want Ev Teel Urizen to come back

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dante Milton View Post
    Well, they left reformation as a possibility twice now. First when Morrison had her imprisoned in Stuff for rehabilitation as Ernst (which subsequent writers flubbed hard), and more recently when (exasperated sigh) Jean dosed her with empathy. But it's not really clear whether Cassandra is a mutant, as a genetic clone of Xavier she should have an active X-gene, but she is usually classified as a mummudrai.
    It's a shame that later writers weren't really picking up what Morrison had put down. That being said, I'm always hopeful that messes can be cleaned up by future writers who paid greater attention to details.

    There's also her possible future in "Here Comes Tomorrow" to consider, when she had already reformed and become part of the X-Men.

    However, she's too excellent a villain to lose completely. I definitely don't mind hints of a turn to the good in the future, but I'd prefer she stay mostly villainous in there here and now.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pav View Post
    -Pav, who wonders what is the best "fix" for Cassie/Stuff/Ernst...
    come to think of it Ernst was included in Hickman's humongous "roster" right ? This is absolutely baseless but I would die if he had something in store . Otherwise just a very left-field inclusion I guess lol

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    Quote Originally Posted by LP22 View Post
    Professor X has apparently forgiven past enemies like apocalypse and shaw and went to seek help from mister sinister.

    Do you think he'll forgive Nova or there's a limit to his agenda?
    Xavier was fine working with the Illuminati in the back of everyone, was fine working with a mutant supremacist like Magneto back in the day, is currently fine working with mass murderers and psychos like Apocalypse and Sinister, so why on Earth would he draw a line with Cassandra Nova?
    She's not a mutant, but that has never been a criteria for Xavier to begin with, so it doesn't actually factor in the question you are asking.
    The Truth is if Xavier can use her "for the greater good of Krakoa" in one way or another, he absolutely will and rationalize the act afterward - like many are doing in this very thread with the criminals and killers who are part of Krakoa's government.

    That's the result of unimpeded utilitarianism for you.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Steel Inquisitor View Post
    We don't know their bodycounts because nobody's keeping score and krkaoa certainly isn't interested in doing that. And not lack of trying, Selene would have killed millions and Apocalypse billions if he succeeded. Just because they didn't succeed occasionally means they were harmless or they haven't got a large bodycount. Of course, this only matters if their actions are viewed as negative, so what did you think of their super-villain careers before Krkaoa? Did you side with their ideology or the X-men's?
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    Selene actually tried to kill the entire world, mutants first, devouring their souls; resurrecting Genosha for that explicit purpose. You're understating the threat she poses... to Krakoa for that matter. (So we're clear I'm not disagreeing with you.)
    sooo The mutants are being punished for crimes they COULD do?? lol Damn even ok Krakoan mutants get the short end of the stick..smdh

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    Thanks, I knew she was bad news but wow. Was that in Necrosha? I haven't read that. is it just me or should she be higher profile in the X-men rogues gallery? On paper she's a power house and a peer to Apocalypse.
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