Your Marvel-Only Controversial Opinions (2020...)

[Agent Z]

Galactus as an essential force to the universe is ridiculous. A guy who needs to feed on planets to sustain himself needs the universe far more than it needs him.

[KC]

I feel like that's mostly because he died a good decade before the other two.

I think it is mostly because he has been treated as an unappreciated genius who was mistreated in everything he did by the dastardly Stan Lee. And this even happened when Kirby was alive and was championed by comic creators like Frank Miller.

The truth is more complicated and raising any of these creators up at the expense of the others is stupid.

[Grapeweasel]

Kirby was clearly the genius, but Lee's gift was reigning him in and giving him structure. The characters Kirby created after were brilliant, but most of the situations he put them in were downright silly.

[KC]

Kirby was clearly the genius, but Lee's gift was reigning him in and giving him structure. The characters Kirby created after were brilliant, but most of the situations he put them in were downright silly.

I would say that they were both geniuses in their own way.

[Anthony W]

I would say that they were both geniuses in their own way.

It was a McCartney/Lennon thing.

[PCN24454]

I hate when Marvel delves into self-referential humor too much. It comes off as though they themselves are embarrassed by their own premise.

[Anthony W]

I hate when Marvel delves into self-referential humor too much. It comes off as though they themselves are embarrassed by their own premise.

They are embarrassed, and if the reader can sense it the whole thing doesn't work. I think this is why Cates has blown up so much. I'm not a fan of his but I can see why he has taken off. His work has an unapologetic I'm a rockstar bombast to it that Marvel hasn't seen out of a creator in a long time. If "Wizard:The Guide To Comics" was still around he would be moving up their top ten writers list LOL!

[DrNewGod]

I think it is mostly because he has been treated as an unappreciated genius who was mistreated in everything he did by the dastardly Stan Lee. And this even happened when Kirby was alive and was championed by comic creators like Frank Miller.

The truth is more complicated and raising any of these creators up at the expense of the others is stupid.

I would say that they were both geniuses in their own way.

It was a McCartney/Lennon thing.

It reminds me somewhat of Wolfman and Perez on DC's Teen Titans. It was lightening in a bottle that burned brightly and burned out. But then, L&K kept a fire going over several titles for quite a while.

[Superfan90]

The reverence that some people hold for Jack Kirby at the expense of Stan Lee is stupid. They (and others like Ditko) were equally important for the success of Marvel Comics.

Kirby is held in high regards because he was a genius and was unappreciated for a long time. Although Stan Lee isn't the devil Kirby fans think he was but his importance is overblown. He was never at the same level as Kirby as a creator, very few are.

[Anthony W]

If Marvel made a comic about Rogue leaving the island and going full hero in a new city (like..Denver Colorado or any major city that isn't NYC) complete with new costume and secret identity and fully immersing her in the mainstream Marvel Universe it would become one of Marvel's highest selling books.

[phonogram12]

Kirby is held in high regards because he was a genius and was unappreciated for a long time. Although Stan Lee isn't the devil Kirby fans think he was but his importance is overblown. He was never at the same level as Kirby as a creator, very few are.

I mean, people tend to leave out Kirby and Ditko entirely when they talk about the creation of the Marvel Universe, so (quite frankly) neither Kirby nor Ditko get revered anywhere near enough compared to Lee.

[KC]

Kirby is held in high regards because he was a genius and was unappreciated for a long time. Although Stan Lee isn't the devil Kirby fans think he was but his importance is overblown. He was never at the same level as Kirby as a creator, very few are.

I think they were both geniuses in their own way and both were important to the success of Marvel by bringing different and necessary things to the table. Kirby for his ideas, art and tireless work rate and Lee for his ideas, snappy dialogue and showmanship that helped expand the horizons of the company.

[DrNewGod]

If Marvel made a comic about Rogue leaving the island and going full hero in a new city (like..Denver Colorado or any major city that isn't NYC) complete with new costume and secret identity and fully immersing her in the mainstream Marvel Universe it would become one of Marvel's highest selling books.

That is indeed controversial.

[Anthony W]

That is indeed controversial.

Yeah, we are talking full mainstream superhero. She would have a day job and a secret identity. Really giving the whole normal life a chance. Gambit is presumed dead. The green and yellow color scheme can stay but you get a brand new costume that screams "mainstream heroic" What if I said it would outsell Captain Marvel?

[Agent Z]

Yeah, we are talking full mainstream superhero. She would have a day job and a secret identity. Really giving the whole normal life a chance. Gambit is presumed dead. The green and yellow color scheme can stay but you get a brand new costume that screams "mainstream heroic" What if I said it would outsell Captain Marvel?

I would say you are being incredibly optimistic.