First Born

[Perseus]

I'm just curious to hear peoples opinions on him.

How do you feel about him as a villain? What about him makes a good candidate for a villain? What about his design would change/keep? What about his powers? Him as a threat? Would he be reoccurring? Is he just a Herakles rip off? Do you hate him as a character?

Just give me all your thoughts.

[Mel Dyer]

The First Born is Diana's Kurgan. Not all of us appreciated that, thought Diana needed such a villain or saw Diana having parallels with Highlander or similar adventurers (Doc Savage, Lara Croft, etc). I also think Brian's inability to effectively write a bigger story for him - one that felt broader, in scope, to the reader - hurt the character, going forward.

His original backstory and clear motivation makes him one of WWs best foes.

[Gaius]

Felt like the general concept could have been better used for a re-imagined version of a New 52 Hercules but I appreciate it was at least an attempt to create character unique to her mythos rather than plucking another name from public domain mythology. Didn't really care for the execution of it though.

[Nyssane]

Would've been fine for a 6 issue story arc, but for a brand new villain that nobody asked for to be the center of a 35 issue run? No, thanks.

[Pinsir]

I'm fine if he doesn't return. I don't think fans of Brian Azz run are really that attached to him and would rather see a return of some of his female characters ( like Strife). He reminds me of White Magician, a character that served a point for Loebs run, but was ultimately overshadowed by the other elements of his work.

I think this is the fate for most male-villain leads in the WW franchise. Does anyone really care about Deimos and...uh, other dude from Rucka's newest run? Design wise they weren't even as interesting as Perez's original twin brothers. Not-Satan from John Byrne is the same, he 'killed' Wonder Woman but he's so detached from WW's mythos.

[Nyssane]

I'm fine if he doesn't return. I don't think fans of Brian Azz run are really that attached to him and would rather see a return of some of his female characters ( like Strife). He reminds me of White Magician, a character that served a point for Loebs run, but was ultimately overshadowed by the other elements of his work.

I think this is the fate for most male-villain leads in the WW franchise. Does anyone really care about Deimos and...uh, other dude from Rucka's newest run? Design wise they weren't even as interesting as Perez's original twin brothers. Not-Satan from John Byrne is the same, he 'killed' Wonder Woman but he's so detached from WW's mythos.

I love Deimos and Phobos! But yeah, their original designs are definitely more memorable even if I do love their pompous twin looks, too.

[PopQuezy]

I'm just curious to hear peoples opinions on him.

How do you feel about him as a villain? What about him makes a good candidate for a villain? What about his design would change/keep? What about his powers? Him as a threat? Would he be reoccurring? Is he just a Herakles rip off? Do you hate him as a character?

Just give me all your thoughts.

I actually wouldn't mind him being a recurring villain. I loved the way Jim Lee drew him on Wonder Woman's recent 750 Villains Special Cover, and I also thought the book lost a golden opportunity to bring him back during the Children of the Gods arc. Imagine Wonder Woman having to reluctantly team up with First Born to keep him safe from Grail as she and Argus realize he's her next victim.

I think Frist Born could be a strong addition to Wondy's rogues, but I think that about roughly 90% of her unused rogues, so thoughts don't get me very far.