What if Moira herself is why mutants fail in every timeline...?

[Rev9]

Thinking about what ever there are other unexplained details in the memories Moira X showed Xavier, i had to remember the presence of Cylobel in life 6.
Was that ever elaborated on by Hickman?

Initialy the reader was led to believe that the events of Life 6 and Life 9 were supposed to be in one continuity, with the events of Life 9 taking place in X10 and those of Life 6 in X100.
So seeing Cylobel's empty body in X100, made sense since she was shown to get captured and put in that tube in X10 by Nimrod the Lesser. Which the reader was supposed to think took place 900 years before.

But with the major reveal of the two events being supposed to take place in different universes/timelines, with altered histories via Moira's presence, it raises the question how Cylobel could have ended up in the exact same particular situation twice?

Now Blackbrains allready existing in Life 6 isn't too farfetched, since they were (from what i recall) artifical mutants designed to be used against other mutants, which is not a new thing in the X-men franchise. So easily a repeating pattern.

However for this particular Blackbrain to exist and end up as husk in that tube, it would require similar events to have taken place. Quite a coincidence.

Yes interesting ,which has also got me thinking and I posted this before, did Apocalypse really lose the fight against Nimrod? How is it that all humans in life 6 are blue? Obviously at a cursory level it's a flimsy connection but Apocalypse has celestial technology in life 9 a century in the future ,he could well have defeated Nimrod(why he would be called Nimrod the lesser)and then true to Apocalypse's mo ,conquered earth and turned humanity into 'Apocalytes' worshipped as a god and somehow again they with the help of celestial tech advance beyond mutantdom and get advanced enough to attract the Phalanx. Maybe in this scenario although Moira lives 10 lives ,she actually lives approximately 3 lives with each of the other 7 being rebirths along a timeline within one time stream. Put another way think of it like several waterfalls along one river, and there are three main rivers.

Widely speculative but I wouldn't be surprised if just like in the Matrix movies she ends up at some Prime Dominion telling her she is not actually a mutant but part of some celestial reincarnating species that somehow resets time flow which is cyclic in nature.Would be trippy

[Psy-lock]

Plot twist: Moira is secretly a mutant hater who enjoys watching them go extinct from one lifetime to another by deliberately pushing them into this direction.

[Veitha]

Plot twist: Moira is secretly a mutant hater who enjoys watching them go extinct from one lifetime to another by deliberately pushing them into this direction.

Well she did have quite the sudden change of heart after Destiny killed her.

[Steel Inquisitor]

Well she did have quite the sudden change of heart after Destiny killed her.

Being burnt alive has that affect. It's not like Destiny convinced her with an argument.

[Veitha]

Being burnt alive has that affect. It's not like Destiny convinced her with an argument.

Yeah and that's a bit weird that she became all about the mutant cause out of fear. Maybe it started with fear and then she understood it more deeply.

[Omega Alpha]

. Mutants are a sub-species of humanity, the Legacy Virus jumping from one to the other isn't that far fetched - in real life viruses do this.

https://www.livescience.com/12951-10...influenza.html

Except that literally didn't happen to anyone else but her.

[Rev9]

Plot twist: Moira is secretly a mutant hater who enjoys watching them go extinct from one lifetime to another by deliberately pushing them into this direction.

You could be right ,it seems strange out of all her lives ,life 3 is like a stain that miraculously washes away,I feel like she may be playing a long con.Maybe she played along with other lives getting to know as much as she can and when she finally gets what she wants perhaps true immortality that has avoided her perhaps due to her Mutation,she'll come out like Sinister in her final life in a world populated with her clones and give Destiny a lecture before returning the favour lol.The last HoX cover with her walking while all mutants around her seem dead could be a foreshadowing.Like ok she reincarnates ,but it smells fishy that Destiny cannot see the ultimate future of mutants herself.Wouldnt Destiny already have written a dire prophecy of mutant failure before Moira?

[cranger]

Except that literally didn't happen to anyone else but her.

They cured the virus shortly after Moira died.

[Omega Alpha]

They cured the virus shortly after Moira died.

Still, not a single other human, out of the billions in the world, got the virus but her. That's a hell of a coincidence.

[cranger]

Still, not a single other human, out of the billions in the world, got the virus but her. That's a hell of a coincidence.

That's fine. Not arguing it. It was never really a big deal since then, and it is not like Hickman's thing only works because of it. Just saying that her being the first, any maybe only, infected human is not the big a plot hole if the virus is cured shortly after, especially if she had the mutated strain and quarantined herself.

[cranger]

The other thing to consider is just when did Moira go into hiding and replace herself with the Shi'ar golem decoy thing. Without knowing that, how the Legacy virus story plays out is maybe even a bigger 'plot hole' in Hickman's tale until it is explained.

[BroHomo]

That's fine. Not arguing it. It was never really a big deal since then, and it is not like Hickman's thing only works because of it. Just saying that her being the first, any maybe only, infected human is not the big a plot hole if the virus is cured shortly after, especially if she had the mutated strain and quarantined herself.

Why would 'when' it was cured matter/cover the plot hole?

The other thing to consider is just when did Moira go into hiding and replace herself with the Shi'ar golem decoy thing. Without knowing that, how the Legacy virus story plays out is maybe even a bigger 'plot hole' in Hickman's tale until it is explained.

In what way?

I like the idea of The Many Lives of Moira' but honestly they confused the Funk outta me

[cranger]

Why would 'when' it was cured matter/cover the plot hole?

The argument was that someone else should have been infected as well, so it is a matter of time, meaning when is important. If it was not cured for years, it becomes odd. If it is cured days later, there is no data available to question no one else getting infected after that. Now, this is not to say there is not a plot hole of some sort if it is never addressed at all in the comics afterward, it is just not a glaring enough plot hole that 'mutated strain' is not an adequate answer.

In what way?

I like the idea of The Many Lives of Moira' but honestly they confused the Funk outta me

If she replaced herself before Legacy virus with what would be presumably not a mutant replacement, than it was the double that contracted the virus, not her, meaning there is some other reason for 'Moira' getting the virus. If it was her, but at some point after getting the virus she replaced herself with the double that died shortly after and had worked on the cure, then Moira somehow exposed herself to a virus knowing that it could kill her because she would have known she was a mutant, and risked everything failing.

I also get confused the more I look into trying to make sense of any of her lives beyond any of the major events that act as CliffsNotes.

[Grunty]

Plot twist: Moira is secretly a mutant hater who enjoys watching them go extinct from one lifetime to another by deliberately pushing them into this direction.

That would be quite a twist indeed.
Better put it on the bingo card too.

[Havok83]

Plot twist: Moira is secretly a mutant hater who enjoys watching them go extinct from one lifetime to another by deliberately pushing them into this direction.

That would ruin Moira but man would that be a good twist