Eh no. That was just Zoom screwing up stuff. And it doesnt change that you had to be FTL to travel through time even when the speed force was a thing that allowed time travel
If speed force was all you needed to time travel Jay or Max or Wally himself could have done it long before he actually did
Last edited by The Dork Knight; 06-27-2020 at 07:48 AM.
Then there is this, unrelated to the Flash, from Superman mythos
https://i.postimg.cc/YqvX9mcH/image.jpg
It seems you really have to be FTL to break the time barrier under your own power
I'm all for rebirth Superman being FTL, if and when the feats show up. The cosmic treadmill feat is just not conclusive proof
Personally the Action 1000 feat of stopping a bullet already fired to a women's temple while he is clearly far away from the city is my favourite speed feat so far
https://m.imgur.com/a/WroE00F
Last edited by The Dork Knight; 06-27-2020 at 08:10 AM.
No chain lightning shows you can time travel without being FTL
Since you mentioned Johns, in JSA a few years after Chain lightning we know Jay still isnt FTL, just like he wasnt in chain lightning. Johns wrote this
Johns also wrote JSA years later showing the treadmill allows Jay to keep doing stuff he cant with just his own speed
All this leads to the conclusion that the below Light speed Jay can achieve time travel and dimensional travel through the treadmill, things he cant do on his own
Therefore superman time travelling with the treadmill isn't proof of him being FTL
The point being this retcon, such as it is, doesnt change the fact that earlier even when the speed force permitted time travel, it only did so once you crossed the light barrier
To say it was the speed force that allowed Flashes to time travel earlier is then to ignore the times it didnt, just because they failed to cross lightspeed
That it now altogether doesnt allow anybody doesnt change the mechanics of when it did allow, it only allowed the FTL ones not just anybody with the speedforce
Its a weird day when Dork Knight is debunking a claim about Superman
Welp! Beaten to mentioning just a pile of stuff.
*goes to make lunch or something I guess!*
The Arbitus continues to ply the King of Rumblers with honeyed words in a bid to lure the magnificent hunter into the kill-pit; and yet I, the humble Sir Cthulhu Attenborough cannot help but wonder if the Arbitus might be better served attempting such tricks, on lesser fare.
*sips tea*
Yeah, but if you... man, we're getting into weird analogy territory, like if you disintegrated Superman's arms he wouldn't be able to go "fool! Little did you know that my arms and I are one and can be remade from me!" and will his arms back into being from pure nothingness. - Pendaran
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