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    There's Wrath for Batman who has had a few origins that are all pretty much mirror criminal versions of Batman's. When he showed up in The Batman, he was given a Robin counterpart called Scorn.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DrNewGod View Post
    For Robin, yes. So does Wrath. But not for Nightwing, even tho Owlmans Talon was his world's Grayson.
    Arguably Red Hood was kind of an anti-Nightwing, except they didn't fight much and Jason is back in the fold.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gaius View Post
    There's Wrath for Batman who has had a few origins that are all pretty much mirror criminal versions of Batman's. When he showed up in The Batman, he was given a Robin counterpart called Scorn.
    I remember watching this as a kid

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    I thought Granite Lady was Plastic Man's evil opposite. But I guess she's only in DCAU.

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    Quote Originally Posted by williamtheday View Post
    I thought Granite Lady was Plastic Man's evil opposite. But I guess she's only in DCAU.
    Plasmaman is Plasticman’s opposite.

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    Don't forget the animated movie Crisis on Two Earths.

    Many bad/good counterparts were introduced.

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    Are we are talking evil doppelgängers or just evil mirror versions of the hero? I’ll list one for both.

    Superman: Ultraman and General Zod
    Batman: Owlman and Batman Who Laughs (?)
    Wonder Woman: Superwoman and Grail
    Green Lantern: Power Ring and Sinestro
    The Flash: Johnny Quick and Reverse Flash
    Aquaman: Sea King and Oceanmaster
    Martian Manhunter: White Martian and Maalefaak
    Green Arrow: Deadeye and Merlyn
    Black Canary: White Cat and White Canary
    Vixen: Vamp and Kuasa
    Hawkman: Sky Tyrant and ???
    Hawkgirl: Angelique and ???
    Firestorm: Deathstorm and ???
    Blue Beetle: Scarlet Scarab and Black Beetle
    Cyborg: Grid and Cyborg Girl
    Black Lightning: Black Power and White Thunder
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    IIRC Black Lightning had a one off evil counterpart from Cold Dead Hands called White Thunder, or something along those lines.
    SIGNAL/Duke Thomas is the Midnight Sun of Gotham

    "power does not corrupt, power always reveals."

    Martin to Malcolm: militant Professor X is kinda the wave right now

    DC: Batman & The Outsiders, Teen Titans, Suicide Squad, The Flash, Justice League Odyssey, Far Sector, Red Hood/Outlaws

    Marvel: Immortal Hulk, Miles Morales: Spiderman, Black Panther, X-Men (2019), Venom, X-Force, Hellions, Giant Sized X-Men

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vakanai View Post
    Arguably Red Hood was kind of an anti-Nightwing, except they didn't fight much and Jason is back in the fold.
    I can see that, Nightwing is the perfect "son" that followed in their "father's" footsteps, while Red Hood is the troubled "son" that rejected that and followed his own path; ironically I feel Jason is more stable and emotionally healthier for it.
    SIGNAL/Duke Thomas is the Midnight Sun of Gotham

    "power does not corrupt, power always reveals."

    Martin to Malcolm: militant Professor X is kinda the wave right now

    DC: Batman & The Outsiders, Teen Titans, Suicide Squad, The Flash, Justice League Odyssey, Far Sector, Red Hood/Outlaws

    Marvel: Immortal Hulk, Miles Morales: Spiderman, Black Panther, X-Men (2019), Venom, X-Force, Hellions, Giant Sized X-Men

    Anticipated titles: anything from Milestone*, X of Swords

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    Quote Originally Posted by DrNewGod View Post
    That's a little bit hard to find, as The Mirror is such a common hero-fiction trope, going back at least as far as Doyle's Professor Moriarty.

    As I think on it, neither of the first two Atoms had an opposite number (although Ryan Choi did). While Batman has at least three, I don't think anyone ever created counterparts for either Nightwing or Batgirl. In a similar manner, I don't think anyone ever gave Supergirl or Power Girl, opposites (except, maybe each other). I haven't followed all of his series, but I don't know that Black Lightning got an opposite number (he had several adversaries - most notably, Tobias Whale -but nobody that was really a mirror character). Same is true of Firestorm.

    A lot of the pre-Silver Age characters never picked up a Mirror: Robot Man, The Shining Knight, Hourman, the original Green Lantern, The Star-Spangled Kid and Stripsey, The Sandman. Several of those, however, lost their features before superhero comics went beyond beating up gangsters.
    The New 52 gave Nightwing an evil counterpart in the form of Saiko aka Raymon McCreary. Dick and Raymond were childhood friends and circus performers but while Dick got adopted by Bruce Wayne, Raymond was taken by the Court of Owls and made into an assassin.

    Power Girl also had an evil counterpart. Namely Divine, a clone created by Max Lord during the Judd Winnick run.

    Edit: Before Saiko, there was Nite-Wing aka Tad Ryerstad. He was a vigilante who modeled himself after Nightwing.
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    nightwing evil counterpart is deathwing . nothing speaks edgey like spikes and pierced nips.




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    Quote Originally Posted by Samm View Post
    Are we are talking evil doppelgängers or just evil mirror versions of the hero? I’ll list one for both.

    Superman: Ultraman and General Zod
    Batman: Owlman and Batman Who Laughs (?)
    Wonder Woman: Superwoman and Grail
    Green Lantern: Power Ring and Sinestro
    The Flash: Johnny Quick and Reverse Flash
    Aquaman: Sea King and Oceanmaster
    Martian Manhunter: White Martian and Maalefaak
    Green Arrow: Deadeye and Merlyn
    Black Canary: White Cat and White Canary
    Vixen: Vamp and Kuasa
    Hawkman: Sky Tyrant and ???
    Hawkgirl: Angelique and ???
    Firestorm: Deathstorm and ???
    Blue Beetle: Scarlet Scarab and Black Beetle
    Cyborg: Grid and Cyborg Girl
    Black Lightning: Black Power and White Thunder
    A Great List!

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    Am I mistaken, or was the OP about characters that lack counterparts, rather than lists of counterparts?

    Quote Originally Posted by Will Evans View Post
    I’m trying to get a list of superheroes or teams without evil counterparts:
    For example: Superman would have Zod, Bizarro, Cyborg Superman, possibly Eradicator, Superboy Prime, Ultraman.

    While the team Superman is on, JUstice League has Crime Syndicate.

    Or Plastic Man has one in Plasaman and the team he’s on, The Terrifics, have the Dreadfuls.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DrNewGod View Post
    Am I mistaken, or was the OP about characters that lack counterparts, rather than lists of counterparts?
    You weren’t mistaken.

    But I guess knowing which ones DO, helps.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DrNewGod View Post
    I don't know that Black Lightning got an opposite .
    Quote Originally Posted by Sutekh View Post
    Vixen, ... Black Lightning, .... Teams like the Outsiders, ....seem less likely to have fallen into this trope.
    Quote Originally Posted by Riv86672 View Post
    Vibe? Gypsy?
    True^ not in canon.

    Although besides the usual E2 counterparts, JL: Crisis on Two Earths (care of McDuffie) added a bunch of new previous lacking E2 evil analogs for Outsiders and Detroit League.

    Black Lightning - Black Power
    Looker - Model Citizen
    Halo - Aurora
    Katana - Sai

    Vibe - Breakdance
    Vixen - Vamp
    Gypsy - Gypsy Woman?
    Steel? Might be the only one who didn't get one?





    and a LOBO analog

    Warwolf



    As well as a bunch of SHAZAMily evil analogs, and more.
    Last edited by Güicho; 06-30-2020 at 03:08 AM.

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