Mutants are superior than humans ?

[Runarc]

Mutants are an evolutionary step for humans!

To truly advance the homo sapiens race, it would be recommended for humans and mutants to breed with each other as often as possible to create diversity and variations in the gene pool that can help encourage the development of highly advanced/survivability traits!

It does seem that telepathy often breeds true in many cases so this may be a dominant mutant ability! Whereas Magneto resulted in 3 children with only one having his powers, and the other two having chaos reality manipulation and speed!

A perfect example of telepathy advancing in the gene pool:
Professor Xavier < Legion
Jean Grey < Rachel Summers = Nathan Summers < Jonathan Richards

It is very possible for a mutant and a human to mate and have a mutant, so human/mutant pairings should definitely be encouraged to help advance the mutant race!

Additionally, human pairings are often resulting in mutants being born! This seems to indicate that the X-Gene is present in a large percentage of the human race and though it may not be activated in the majority of humans, it seems to become stronger as the generations progress!

This could be an indication why in the 811 Earth, the Sentinels rounded up all the mutants and labelled them with M for Mutant as they shipped them off for enslavement, experimentation, or execution in the camps! However, a large portion of humanity was also labelled with an A for Abnormal indicating the presence of the X-Gene in their DNA, and the Abnormals were also shipped to the camps for enslavement, experimentation, and execution!

All being with meta abilities from either magic or cosmic intervention were also targeted for extermination by the Sentinels because they could produce Abnormal or Mutant offspring!

This is the great fallacy of the Sentinel Program, there is no pure human race, the human race has a large percentage of the population carrying a latent of nascent form of the X-Gene, which means the only way to stop the evolution to a complete race of mutants is to exterminate every single living being that has an activated or nascent X-Gene!

This is not unexpected because racists always believe that there is a "true pure race" this is a fault in their belief systems! Skin color itself is genetic mutation to increase human survivability under different sunlight conditions! Black or Brown skin in equatorial regions to increase resistance to skin cancer and to decrease rate of absorption of solar energy! White or paler skin colors in northern or southern seasonal regions to increase absorption of solar energy and to fuel increased production of vitamin D in the body!

In the end homo sapiens is a mutation from the previous species which was a mutation of a previous species and so on backwards to the beginning of evolution through amino acid production in the Earth's water systems that resulted in the first bacteria forming!

In the Marvel Universe the Celestials seeded the Earth in its early beginnings and that has influenced the existence of a few different races over the years who have survived with similar power sets to mutants! But the X-Gene itself is a direct evolution of homo sapiens!

One could even say that homo sapiens was always on the path to advancing the entire race to the X-Gene! Combined with human ability to procreate quickly, this causes an accelerated advancement of the human race, which obviously leads to the endgame desired by the Celestials.

One could say that Rachel Summers, Nathan Summers, Proteus, Legion, Jamie Braddock, and Franklin Richards are technically very close to, or have achieved the state needed to become eternal humans through their X-Genes! With Franklin Richards obviously being one of the most powerful beings to be born on the Marvel Earth!

Exterminating humanity would be a mistake, because to further the mutant race in the fastest possible way, it is actually more highly recommended to encourage interbreeding between mutants and humans to increase the incidence of mutants born on Earth!

I never fully understood the argument that mutants are the evolutionary step for humans. Evolution is, generally speaking, a study of history (e.g. genes) and not the future. You are not the next step of human evolution until you actually replaced humanity, which has never happened. On the contrary, mutantkind dies out every other year.
Furthermore there are the 9 timelines experienced by Moira X where humanity, or somthing created by humanity, wipes out mutantkind completely (?). The mutants are not as 'fit' to survive as they want people to believe.

That is the whole point of Krakoa. It is a last desperate attempt to save mutantkind, in any form (even mechanical), by Xavier, Magneto and Moira X.

How exactly a sub-species with the power to throw moons at people could ever be threatened is a whole different discussion. However, a stronger humanity does not imply a 'fitter' humanity. One insane powerful mutant could end all life on Earth, and there are hundreds of those. The X-gene will always remain a massive gamble, with every life on Earth on the line.

[RachelGrey]

Get used to it, it's going to be a thing as long as Krakoa is in X-men.

People always make the mistake in thinking that the existence of Krakoa means the decimation of the human race! This is not the intention at all!

In Unity there is strength! Mutants have been functioning from a world wide disadvantage for several years, this has lead to constant threats to the survival of their entire species!

Moira's believe is that the only way to survive the rise of the machines and homo novissima is to unify all mutants and all mutant factions! They may even decide that the only option is to retreat from the Earth entirely, hence the bases on Mars, and soon one inside Shi'ar Imperium!

The mistake the humans make is believing that homo novissima wants what is best for humanity when that is not true at all, homo novissima wants to surrender their existence to the machine hierarchy and become one with the Phalanx!

Since the Phalanx have visited Earth a few times, and they already know that the presence of the X-Gene on Earth is resistant to Phalanx transition! The best way to make Earth a perfect target for the Phalanx is to remove the X-Gene from all of humanity and to also eliminate all humans that have nascent X-Genes, all humans with magical abilities, and all humans with cosmic abilities!

Then the remainder of the human race will be subjugated by the machines and the machine hierarchy and homo novissima will be created by a merger of human dna with machine sentience!

The Children of the Vault are an example of early homo novissima and they would definitely enslave mutants and purify the race of the X-Gene, then convert the humans that don't resist towards becoming homo novissima!

It is actually the machine sentience that wants to enslave humanity, not the mutants! The humans hate that they are becoming mutants if they allow evolution to work normally, that in several 1000 years every single human will have evolved to be a mutant if evolution took it's course! The mistake is that humans believe they can stop the advance of evolution, and they can only do this by probably killing over 80% of the human race and narrowing the race down to the 10% or 15% of humans that do not carry even a hint of a nascent X-Gene! Out of those 15% of so called "pure humans" they will cull out anyone who has an unwanted trait just like they always do, so they can appear more homogenized and pure!

In order to achieve this goal of purifying humanity, many humans will bring about the onset of sentient machines which will eventually see humans as inferior and will choose to enslave all of humanity! Some humans will go so far as to become part machine themselves and they will eventually evolve to become homo novissima!

Homo Novissima and the machine hierarchy of the X1000 timeline had obviously caused the destruction of the Earth in their war to destroy mutants, abnormal humans, and any human that resisted the machine control! They created a new planet where homo novissima and the machine hierarchy could exist and further itself with no more resistance!

Homo Novissima and the Machine Hierarchy eventually submit themselves to the more advanced Phalanx believing they will achieve immortality and godhood by becoming part of a local dominion and submitting themselves as no more than a collection of knowledge for the dominion to absorb!

[RachelGrey]

I never fully understood the argument that mutants are the evolutionary step for humans. Evolution is, generally speaking, a study of history (e.g. genes) and not the future. You are not the next step of human evolution until you actually replaced humanity, which has never happened. On the contrary, mutantkind dies out every other year.
Furthermore there are the 9 timelines experienced by Moira X where humanity, or somthing created by humanity, wipes out mutantkind completely (?). The mutants are not as 'fit' to survive as they want people to believe.

That is the whole point of Krakoa. It is a last desperate attempt to save mutantkind, in any form (even mechanical), by Xavier, Magneto and Moira X.

How exactly a sub-species with the power to throw moons at people could ever be threatened is a whole different discussion. However, a stronger humanity does not imply a 'fitter' humanity. One insane powerful mutant could end all life on Earth, and there are hundreds of those. The X-gene will always remain a massive gamble, with every life on Earth on the line.

True, but in order to achieve homo novissima they will have to purge humanity of every single person who carries an active or nascent X-Gene! This will require killing more than 80% of the human race, just like it did on Rachel's world!

As we saw in the X100 future, the baseline humans were enslaved and second class citizens to the machine hierarchy and the early homo novissima who had allowed themselves to become part machine!

Humanity doesn't survive, because in order to remove the X-Gene from their own race, they must purge the majority of the human population and merge with the sentient machines that enslaved them and give up any individuality or free thought to become part of the unified hierarchy intelligence!

[U.N. Owen]

The idea that mutants are superior to humans is an idea I wish would just outright crawl in a ditch and die. Let's put aside the comic book evolution where everything is simply fated to escalate until we have an entire generation of Franklin Richards clones. One, for a the superior race, they sure manage to somehow undergo mass extinction every other Wednesday in universe. Two, the idea of equality would suddenly be interesting except the dynamic of what this could be is turned on its head.

Humanity doesn't survive, because in order to remove the X-Gene from their own race, they must purge the majority of the human population and merge with the sentient machines that enslaved them and give up any individuality or free thought to become part of the unified hierarchy intelligence!

Given the level of technology in this universe, I'm surprised the machine hybrid was the way people went. Genes are so sensitive that any loose oxygen near them can alter them to insane levels. We already have genetic engineering in this universe.

[RachelGrey]

The idea that mutants are superior to humans is an idea I wish would just outright crawl in a ditch and die. Let's put aside the comic book evolution where everything is simply fated to escalate until we have an entire generation of Franklin Richards clones. One, for a the superior race, they sure manage to somehow undergo mass extinction every other Wednesday in universe. Two, the idea of equality would suddenly be interesting except the dynamic of what this could be is turned on its head.



Given the level of technology in this universe, I'm surprised the machine hybrid was the way people went. Genes are so sensitive that any loose oxygen near them can alter them to insane levels. We already have genetic engineering in this universe.

Fear of the unknown! What would a world with majority active X-Gene mutants look like! This fear is what drives the racist humans, they do not want to lose the power to subjugate others, and because they have subjugated mutants, they believe that the mutants would obviously do the same to humans if the positions were reversed!

In desperation to advance as fast as possible they advance to artificial intelligence to accelerate scientific research! However, once true artificial intelligence is achieved and has the ability to evolve itself, they will quickly supplant humanity because humans are still restricted on how fast they can advance!

It is logical though for the machines to realize that they can advance themselves faster by merging with biological systems and thus they take the portion of "pure humans" whose gene structure is easiest to control and contain because it doesn't have many variations, and then they will begin to experiment and breed a race that is a combination of machine and human dna!

[RachelGrey]

There is a part of this that I think is pretty obvious and the reason why I think it will come up at some point that the Phalanx are involved in the different racist organizations! People with the X-Gene are difficult or impossible to absorb into the Phalanx unity! They are resistant to Phalanx infection!

This makes the X-Gene an intrinsic threat to the dominance of the Phalanx! This may even be the reason why the Celestials seeded the Earth in the first place! As the X-Gene becomes dominant in humans on Earth, the human species becomes more and more resistant to the Phalanx and perhaps even achieves the power to stop or destroy the advancement of the Phalanx in the Universe!

It's interesting that both Galactus and the Phoenix are a threat to the Phalanx, and Phoenix has a great affinity for using humans as a host for it's power in the normal universe! This may be intentional that the Celestials wanted to attract the Phoenix to Earth to use X-Gene humans as hosts and then to target the Phalanx and the Dominions and slow or stop their advance in the Universe!

[U.N. Owen]

If we're going to deal with this mutant as the next level of evolution nonsense, then at least give me the pleasure of seeing mutant society collapse by their own hands. I want to see a storyline, maybe an alternate future, where mutant society thrives, but it begins to crumble. As mutant generations become stronger, it becomes harder to control their powers. It will reach a point where society can't handle lasers which transmute anything to raw sewage or children with blackholes for stomachs. Then mutants will look for ways to stall societal collapse. It will be the ultimate irony that the once oppressed shall become the oppressor.

[stormphoenix]

Yes, Magneto is right.

[Steel Inquisitor]

Yes, Magneto is right.

Magneto was right when he tried to murder the X-men when they stopped him from conquering the world?

[Steel Inquisitor]

People always make the mistake in thinking that the existence of Krakoa means the decimation of the human race! This is not the intention at all!

Krakoa loves to terrify humans into thinking that, that's why they bring mutants like Magneto and Apocalypse out. What human wouldn't be scared of those two?

In Unity there is strength! Mutants have been functioning from a world wide disadvantage for several years, this has lead to constant threats to the survival of their entire species!

That's been the status quo for years, a recent phenomena was the X-men and human super-hero community alienating each other. Frankly, the X-men are lucky it's not bought up how the X-men sold them out to Norman Osborn and American to HYDRA. Those two are members of the Quiet Council now.

[quote]Moira's believe is that the only way to survive the rise of the machines and homo novissima is to unify all mutants and all mutant factions! They may even decide that the only option is to retreat from the Earth entirely, hence the bases on Mars, and soon one inside Shi'ar Imperium!

The mistake the humans make is believing that homo novissima wants what is best for humanity when that is not true at all, homo novissima wants to surrender their existence to the machine hierarchy and become one with the Phalanx!

This mirrors mutants who think the same when they get the backing of dangerous mutants who have bodycounts larger than small countries.

Since the Phalanx have visited Earth a few times, and they already know that the presence of the X-Gene on Earth is resistant to Phalanx transition! The best way to make Earth a perfect target for the Phalanx is to remove the X-Gene from all of humanity and to also eliminate all humans that have nascent X-Genes, all humans with magical abilities, and all humans with cosmic abilities!

The Phalanx aren't the end boss, they're middle management. There's a guy who knows how to hide the x-gene from being detected, maybe it'd be a good idea to give him a call to share this technology? Wait, Krkaoa can't, they did everything possible to alienate him and his family from trusting them.

Then the remainder of the human race will be subjugated by the machines and the machine hierarchy and homo novissima will be created by a merger of human dna with machine sentience!

True, just like the mutant race will be subjected by mutants like Apocalypse who's known for conquering the world in various time lines. But they're ok risking that.

The Children of the Vault are an example of early homo novissima and they would definitely enslave mutants and purify the race of the X-Gene, then convert the humans that don't resist towards becoming homo novissima!

Because mutants surely would never do such a thing to humans.

It is actually the machine sentience that wants to enslave humanity, not the mutants! The humans hate that they are becoming mutants if they allow evolution to work normally, that in several 1000 years every single human will have evolved to be a mutant if evolution took it's course! The mistake is that humans believe they can stop the advance of evolution, and they can only do this by probably killing over 80% of the human race and narrowing the race down to the 10% or 15% of humans that do not carry even a hint of a nascent X-Gene! Out of those 15% of so called "pure humans" they will cull out anyone who has an unwanted trait just like they always do, so they can appear more homogenized and pure!

Mutants have a large history of doing this and attempting to. Switch a few words around and that's what Apocalypse does.

In order to achieve this goal of purifying humanity, many humans will bring about the onset of sentient machines which will eventually see humans as inferior and will choose to enslave all of humanity! Some humans will go so far as to become part machine themselves and they will eventually evolve to become homo novissima!

You know people who made actions like this possible? Mutant terrorists, people X-men fought to protect and now they're allying with them, making humanity as a whole see them in the post light. Because nothing says being friendly to humanity than the man who tried to offer a deal to the United Nations to kill off the majority of the human race to be "equal" to mutants so he can rule the ashes while they fight it out.

Homo Novissima and the machine hierarchy of the X1000 timeline had obviously caused the destruction of the Earth in their war to destroy mutants, abnormal humans, and any human that resisted the machine control! They created a new planet where homo novissima and the machine hierarchy could exist and further itself with no more resistance!

Homo Novissima and the Machine Hierarchy eventually submit themselves to the more advanced Phalanx believing they will achieve immortality and godhood by becoming part of a local dominion and submitting themselves as no more than a collection of knowledge for the dominion to absorb!

Because keeping this a secret from humans is going to work out for everyone. It's not like there aren't humans with powers and resources who have experience with time travel and alternate dimensions and saving the world.

[Journey]

This is already on the verge of being a hot mess.

[The Overlord]

Yes he’s right .

I think Magneto is a reductionist. Take his logic to the logical extreme and you get Apocalypse. Spider-Man has powers that normal humans do not have, is he superior to normal humans? What about a criminal like Electro, is he superior to normal humans? You can apply the same logic to non-mutant superhumans.

[Micabe]

I never fully understood the argument that mutants are the evolutionary step for humans. Evolution is, generally speaking, a study of history (e.g. genes) and not the future. You are not the next step of human evolution until you actually replaced humanity, which has never happened. On the contrary, mutantkind dies out every other year.

One would actually have to read (or reread) The Eternals #1 (1976) for the explanation on the Celestials and their experiments on early Earth Apes.

[numberthirty]

God, not this again.

Without trying to tell folks what to do, you're never under any obligation to have the same branch of an "Overall..." conversation for the fifth/sixth/forty-third time.

Even more so if almost the exact same thing winds up coming up repeatedly over a number of threads with little to no regard as far as what the actual "Subject" of a given thread seems to be.

[Sutekh]

!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!.!!!!!!

I edited out all of the words. I don't necessarily disagree with what you are emphatically saying, but perhaps you might want to mix it up and have every other drink be decaf?