Mutants are superior than humans ?

[BroHomo]

I guess the greatest harm Wanda did to mutants, beyond the direct suffering of losing their powers, was to show just how fragile their "superiority" is and to remind them that after all they are just humans behind their powers.

I mean she did kill a sh!t ton of them

[Alan2099]

The X-gene can be supressed either via technology, magic or even natural occuring phenomena and while it can in some instances result in a mutants death, most of the time the end result is a perfectly functional "normal" human. Infact depowering seems to often cause a fantastic "reversal" to said form, even if their bodies were heavily changed by their super powers.
Just like the X-gene's own random nature, what ever a reversal occurs or if a person dies from their powers no longer sustaining their form seems pretty random.
We have examples like Beak who turned back into a normal human, despite his previously extremely changed form, while another mutant who turned into a dragon died because his body could no longer function without the gene.
It seems entirely up to the writer on what ever depowering say a "tree person" mutant would result in them dying because of the X-gene sustaining their form is gone, or if all the plant stuff crumbles away and a normal human appears underneath it all.

Just using this as an example.

[Steel Inquisitor]

Oh God I won't do this again. It amazes me how you can't see how bad humans treated them and how you expect the fictional minority group to bow down to the oppressors and act nice so the oppressors don't feel too bad about it.

Stop twisting what I'm saying into a straw man.

There's vastly more choices for Krkao to make before making monsters like Magneto and Apocalypse rulers and ambassadors, and the message they send isn't "be nice" it's surrender or die. If you want humanity to not be enemies don't view every single one of them as if they were Graydon Creed and all they need is to scare them into compliance. That has nothing to do with "bowing to oppressors," which is ironic considering mutants like Selene and Apocalypse were oppressing humans for millennia until the present day. And mutants, and anyone with a pulse. Of course what humans did was incredibly wrong, nobody is disputing that - but acknowledging both sides have done really bad things, since they're a species not a small group, is just common sense. What do mutants lose by disavowing the mutant super-villains? Ethically it's the right choice. And so is not using them as a face to the outside world unless you are that they want every human to be scared of them. The whole idea of Krkaoa is meant to break the cycle, except they're really not with choices like this.

Start listening, not shutting conversations down because someone disagrees with you.

Just a suggestion to read Utopia and Secret Empire again because you've missed some essential plot points.

Bye.

I know why the X-men did in that, that's not a good excuse to make alliances with Norman Osborn and HYDRA. I wouldn't hear the end of it if the roles were reversed. The X-men made their choices, which foreshadowed the dark path they were headed too with Krkaoa, and that is working with monsters is acceptable. Which, in hindsight, shouldn't be that surprising given Magneto and Emma Frost's villains pasts.

When the X-men choose monsters over their friends and allies like the Avengers, Spider-man and Fantastic Four they've made their choice to become villains, Krkao's just the ultimate conclusion of that path.

[BroHomo]

Just using this as an example.

of what?


Apocalypse sleeps for hundreds of years at a time

[numberthirty]

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Start listening, not shutting conversations down because someone disagrees with you.

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Seeing as this same exact bit(almost to the letter...) has stretched out across a bunch of thread where it had right around "Nothing..." to do with the topic of those threads(Take, let say, a thread about mutants being superior or not and just wander in an rattle off about how the diplomatic aspect of the mutant homeland is being conducted...), the idea that conversation is being "Shut Down..."?

It's a pretty legit stretch.

Even if you are willing to be charitable.

[Veitha]

And don't tell me to start listening, so I won't tell you to stop having monologues.

We've had ten iterations of the same conversation over ten different threads and you say the same things all the time. How many times have I and other users discussed about this and given reasons about the villains on Krakoa and all that stuff already? And how many of those times have you listened?

[Devaishwarya]

Namor clearly seems to think so.
Xavier clearly does not.
And while both Magneto and o--[A]--o both lean towards the "we are better" reasoning, it's based on differing premises that has changed over time (although to be fair, it hasn't changed drastically, just re-contexted).

[Glio]

To be fair, Namor does not believe that he is superior because he is a mutant, Namor believes that he is superior because he is Namor.

[Devaishwarya]

To be fair, Namor does not believe that he is superior because he is a mutant, Namor believes that he is superior because he is Namor.

LOL...and there is that added bit of ego. Absolutely.

[Triniking1234]

Spider-People > Mutants > Super flatscans > Flatscans

[lemonpeace]

do mutants deserve to inherit the earth? not necessarily, no lifeform "deserves" to inherit the earth and I don't think they, as a whole, deserve anything but their right to live in peace like anyone else. are they superior? in the sense that they have evolved to have significant advantages over homo-sapiens. the mutants should "inherited the earth" in the sense that they are just humans who've evolved into something else, it is the natural progression of humanity to become mutants. the fact that humanity would rather eradicate themselves (which is what they're ultimately doing no matter how they slice it) to subvert nature doesn't change that fact. the question is, do humans deserve their self-imposed annihilation?

[Micabe]

do mutants deserve to inherit the earth? not necessarily, no lifeform "deserves" to inherit the earth and I don't they as a whole deserve anything but their right to live in peace like anyone else. are they superior? in the sense that they have evolved to have significant advantages over homo-sapiens. the mutants should "inherited the earth" in the sense that they are just humans who've evolved into something else, it is the natural progression of humanity to become mutants. the fact that humanity would rather eradicate themselves (which is what they're ultimately doing no matter how they slice it) to subvert nature doesn't change that fact. the question is, do humans deserve their self-imposed annihilation?

I agree with you on a few points... But, I'll start with the rejoined Krakoa/Arakko (A.K.A. Okkara) getting bigger all the time and invading other countries, planets, and dimensions along the way. As it stands 16 Million mutants died on Genosha at the hands of Cassie Nova believed to be a mutant by way of having an X-Gene... Wanda Maximoff murdered and or depowered many mutants as well. Is it not Ironic that Cassie and Wanda both have an X-Gene that Cerebro can detect but neither are technically classified as a true mutant as Wanda is a experiment of the High Evolutionary and Cassie is actually a Mummudrai (See: Ev Teel Urizen; Shi'ar super weapon; Demon Bear) -- There's no reason for mutants to occupy other nations, inhabited planets, or Otherworld for that matter -- I can't believe that Okkara (as is) isn't big enough, with its current resources, to sustain the entire mutant population. I'm taking bets on the next gate leading to the ancient city at the heart of M'Kraan Crystal.

[Michael Watkins]

Political system based on a very powerful leader. His name is Professor X.
State control. It's called the Quiet Council of Krakoa.
Being extremely proud of country and race. Krakoa and Mutants check!
Political opposition is not allowed. You follow the Quiet Council rules or you get gone!

Now Magneto is part of the council because he'll finally get everything he wanted, simple as that really. He is a fascist.

You’ve just made a good case for pretty much any American who isn’t part of Antifa being a fascist. Congratulations.

[Michael Watkins]

I say if mutants can have an active ban on allowing baseline humans on Krakoa then it's only fair that baseline humans prevent mutants from their cities as well.

That’s fine as long as they aren’t holding mutants prisoner

[Michael Watkins]

Magneto was right when he tried to murder the X-men when they stopped him from conquering the world?

They have come around to his way of thinking. So...yes!