Mutants are superior than humans ?

[Veitha]

It's an argument for how we interpret the material, we all do that.



They don't do that simply because they have a narrative/fanon and don't want anyone to "rock the boat." Everyone must agree with the popular consensus or risk peer pressure to force them to getting back in line. Don't ask questions, and definitely don't question Krakoa when they make decisions they'd be angry at humans doing. They want to live in fantasy, not what the books are actually doing. Bringing up the facts in the books just makes people uncomfortable. It's not possible they might be wrong about something.

What are you talking about. You're the one who doesn't like when we give you facts but keeps repeating the same thing all over again. Your arguments are funded on speculation and when we reply telling you what's going on all you say is "but the villains". Even tho we've given you plenty replies about the villains and why they're there. And no one says they're saints, you're lying. We have told you why there are villains, you simply ignore that.

And calling Apocalypse daddy is obviously a joke.

[jwatson]

Why is it always the new posters asking the same questions. No one Mutants are Human their human counterparts just don't want them. So purely in the sense that humans and mutants are the same and one has power one can say mutants are superior to baseline humans in the same way Captain America are. But on a basic level no, they are the same. Hope that helps.

[jwatson]

Actually to be even more techinal baseline humans could be seen as more superior since the X-men is written and drawn by baseline humans so just like in the comics one would not exist if the other didn't first.

[Agent Z]

Mutants are an evolutionary step for humans!

To truly advance the homo sapiens race, it would be recommended for humans and mutants to breed with each other as often as possible to create diversity and variations in the gene pool that can help encourage the development of highly advanced/survivability traits!

It does seem that telepathy often breeds true in many cases so this may be a dominant mutant ability! Whereas Magneto resulted in 3 children with only one having his powers, and the other two having chaos reality manipulation and speed!

A perfect example of telepathy advancing in the gene pool:
Professor Xavier < Legion
Jean Grey < Rachel Summers = Nathan Summers < Jonathan Richards

It is very possible for a mutant and a human to mate and have a mutant, so human/mutant pairings should definitely be encouraged to help advance the mutant race!

Additionally, human pairings are often resulting in mutants being born! This seems to indicate that the X-Gene is present in a large percentage of the human race and though it may not be activated in the majority of humans, it seems to become stronger as the generations progress!

This could be an indication why in the 811 Earth, the Sentinels rounded up all the mutants and labelled them with M for Mutant as they shipped them off for enslavement, experimentation, or execution in the camps! However, a large portion of humanity was also labelled with an A for Abnormal indicating the presence of the X-Gene in their DNA, and the Abnormals were also shipped to the camps for enslavement, experimentation, and execution!

All being with meta abilities from either magic or cosmic intervention were also targeted for extermination by the Sentinels because they could produce Abnormal or Mutant offspring!

This is the great fallacy of the Sentinel Program, there is no pure human race, the human race has a large percentage of the population carrying a latent of nascent form of the X-Gene, which means the only way to stop the evolution to a complete race of mutants is to exterminate every single living being that has an activated or nascent X-Gene!

This is not unexpected because racists always believe that there is a "true pure race" this is a fault in their belief systems! Skin color itself is genetic mutation to increase human survivability under different sunlight conditions! Black or Brown skin in equatorial regions to increase resistance to skin cancer and to decrease rate of absorption of solar energy! White or paler skin colors in northern or southern seasonal regions to increase absorption of solar energy and to fuel increased production of vitamin D in the body!

In the end homo sapiens is a mutation from the previous species which was a mutation of a previous species and so on backwards to the beginning of evolution through amino acid production in the Earth's water systems that resulted in the first bacteria forming!

In the Marvel Universe the Celestials seeded the Earth in its early beginnings and that has influenced the existence of a few different races over the years who have survived with similar power sets to mutants! But the X-Gene itself is a direct evolution of homo sapiens!

One could even say that homo sapiens was always on the path to advancing the entire race to the X-Gene! Combined with human ability to procreate quickly, this causes an accelerated advancement of the human race, which obviously leads to the endgame desired by the Celestials.

One could say that Rachel Summers, Nathan Summers, Proteus, Legion, Jamie Braddock, and Franklin Richards are technically very close to, or have achieved the state needed to become eternal humans through their X-Genes! With Franklin Richards obviously being one of the most powerful beings to be born on the Marvel Earth!

Exterminating humanity would be a mistake, because to further the mutant race in the fastest possible way, it is actually more highly recommended to encourage interbreeding between mutants and humans to increase the incidence of mutants born on Earth!

Several X-fans keep pointing out how most mutant powers are pretty weak so where is this so called superiority supposed to come from? In fact, Mutants aren't even "superior" in a natural selection sense since that's ultimately about reproduction. Unless being a mutant increased one's chances in the dating pool, it's not actually an advantage. Especially when you consider that some mutations are so extreme that the mutants are physically incapable of having sex (Rogue's mutation is a prime example). Meaning they are genetic dead ends.

[Devaishwarya]

Very few mutations are extreme to the point of being reproductively unviable.

Rogue can and has had sex several times.

Beak and Angel have a family.

It's rumoured (Sinister's files) that a known mutant is already pregnant.

The Krakoan Law: "Make more Mutants" suggests that reproducing mutant genes biologically is certainly not a "dead end" situation. They may not be as prolific as humans but they're not reproductively stymied, either.

In fact, mutants would have more unconventional yet still biological ways of expanding the Krakoan mutant population other than gestating a foetus (or three) for nine months, as humans do. (See the Beak/Angel example)

Also consider...Two mutants will create more mutants, "conceptionally" with the very rare occurrence of an x-gene negative offspring. Whereas humans still do give birth to x-gene positive mutant children and human children.

[numberthirty]

It's an argument for how we interpret the material, we all do that.

No.

Some folks are pointing out how they interpret the actual material. Someone else has cooked up that there is additional material, and is insisting on attempting to discuss that.

Insisting that this additional material exists does not put it onto the page. Non-existent is still going to be non-existent.

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When they do that they deserve to be called out. Stop normalising those tactics.

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No one is doing that. Which is the entire issue. It is simply a set of accusations that seems like they just get tossed out at random.

[Veitha]

They can use The Five to breed

[CoCoBandz]

They can use The Five to breed

The possibilities are endless with The Five.

[Steel Inquisitor]

What are you talking about. You're the one who doesn't like when we give you facts but keeps repeating the same thing all over again. Your arguments are funded on speculation and when we reply telling you what's going on all you say is "but the villains".

Facts only when supporting in argument and ignored and warped by fanon when they're not. There is no consistency. I repeat the same thing because it's what's in the comics. "But the villains" takes the wind out of every argument Krakao makes, since they're deeply compromised. It's worrying that the villains don't alarm you as something that's wrong. Especially since we know they're as much a danger to other mutant as they are to humans.

Even tho we've given you plenty replies about the villains and why they're there. And no one says they're saints, you're lying. We have told you why there are villains, you simply ignore that.

Sure they do, they love the villains. Can't get enough of them. When mutants, as a species, are talked about overlooking those monsters that counts as being made into saints - it's drawing a line between humans and mutants that mutants are all the good in the world and everyone else is bad. Except that's moving the goal posts, the problem isn't about the why it's the who. HYDRA, cartels, Norman Osborn, Apocalypse - they're all acceptable. But Avengers? No, they're as bad as Orchis. Don't let them near the island.

And calling Apocalypse daddy is obviously a joke.

Jokes conflate goodness with Apocalypse, they shape a narrative that he's harmless. Don't worry about him, he's a sex god. He's technically human but he's got the mind of a monster. He betrayed Rogue and has been manipulating Excalibur from day one, why is that the jokes are more of a priority when discussing Apocalypse than what he's done in the comics? He's a great villain but he's still a villain. Something which people need to be reminded when discussing canon. It'd be ok if this was occasional levity and people were aware of how dangerous Apocalypse is but that's not how he's received. He's an all conquering hero, a sex god, a saviour who shouldn't be questioned. And it's not just him, either.

[Zelena]

You're not even reading it, Zelena.

I read enough to never have the impression that I was seeing the real X-men.

[People Of The Earth]

Pretty sure by humans they mean baselines and nothing they said was wrong. It's always been the case.

Instead of letting humanity progress into what it was always going to become they decided to create robot smurfs that eventually get eaten by the Phalanx because naturally they become an evolutionary dead end. No better than if Ultron was in charge.

You could honestly call it self inflicted genocide.

And you would honestly be wrong to do so.
Anyhow, still in poor taste, that's the kind of rhetoric being used IRL right now, to try and justify a few horrific things.

[numberthirty]

Facts only when supporting in argument and ignored and warped by fanon when they're not. There is no consistency. I repeat the same thing because it's what's in the comics. "But the villains" takes the wind out of every argument Krakao makes, since they're deeply compromised. It's worrying that the villains don't alarm you as something that's wrong. Especially since we know they're as much a danger to other mutant as they are to humans.

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Unless you have the exact page and panel numbers where Gorgon turned back around and killed those men?

That assertion(along with you...) is simply wrong.

Again, folks are discussing what is actually in the books.

You are attempting to discuss something else entirely.

That's where the issue is. Folks just don't care to entertain something that isn't even on the page to discuss a take that is based in things that are non-existent.

[Veitha]

I read enough to never have the impression that I was seeing the real X-men.

If review threads are enough, then okay.

Facts only when supporting in argument and ignored and warped by fanon when they're not. There is no consistency. I repeat the same thing because it's what's in the comics. "But the villains" takes the wind out of every argument Krakao makes, since they're deeply compromised. It's worrying that the villains don't alarm you as something that's wrong. Especially since we know they're as much a danger to other mutant as they are to humans.



Sure they do, they love the villains. Can't get enough of them. When mutants, as a species, are talked about overlooking those monsters that counts as being made into saints - it's drawing a line between humans and mutants that mutants are all the good in the world and everyone else is bad. Except that's moving the goal posts, the problem isn't about the why it's the who. HYDRA, cartels, Norman Osborn, Apocalypse - they're all acceptable. But Avengers? No, they're as bad as Orchis. Don't let them near the island.



Jokes conflate goodness with Apocalypse, they shape a narrative that he's harmless. Don't worry about him, he's a sex god. He's technically human but he's got the mind of a monster. He betrayed Rogue and has been manipulating Excalibur from day one, why is that the jokes are more of a priority when discussing Apocalypse than what he's done in the comics? He's a great villain but he's still a villain. Something which people need to be reminded when discussing canon. It'd be ok if this was occasional levity and people were aware of how dangerous Apocalypse is but that's not how he's received. He's an all conquering hero, a sex god, a saviour who shouldn't be questioned. And it's not just him, either.

Yeah you confirmed what I was saying.

[Glio]

They can use The Five to breed

Yep. They can take genetic material from various mutants, randomize it, and introduce it into Goldballs' eggs.

They don't even need to be accelerated by Tempus, there's no rush.

[Micabe]

Yep. They can take genetic material from various mutants, randomize it, and introduce it into Goldballs' eggs.

They don't even need to be accelerated by Tempus, there's no rush.

So, basically you're advocating for no natural reproduction through physical sexual activity amongst mutant?