Which is the entire reason that this bit doesn't really get taken very seriously.
Most folks are talking about what is actually going on in the books, and don't have much use for an entirely separate discussion that revolves around a single person's incorrect version of what is happening in the very same books.
Never mind having that same incorrect version involve said person incorrectly explaining what is going on in books that are not even on the stands yet.
What strikes me is among those who praise Hickman is this reluctance to have a higher point of view… like all the things that existed, happened before, didn't.
I suppose that, in a way, you pay for a comic, you want to enjoy this comic, so you agree to be manipulated, pleased by it… you find the qualities and overlook the flaws. After all, you don't buy the comic to analyze it.
Oh, by the way, I agree with all Steel Inquisitor said, I can't believe that anyone enjoys this run, it's so simplistic.
“Strength is the lot of but a few privileged men; but austere perseverance, harsh and continuous, may be employed by the smallest of us and rarely fails of its purpose, for its silent power grows irresistibly greater with time.” Goethe
The run is so simplistic that they are multiple threads discussing different aspects of things and before you say they are threads all the time that is what forum is I will challenge you find a thread about the deeper themes or plotline of X-men Gold or Extraordinary X-men. Anyways that is your opinion you can feel that way if you want to.
Guys, if you want to talk about your fanfics about what is happening in Krakoa, find another place.
I would prefer if here we talked about the comics that exist.
Don't be disingenuous. You're not taking it seriously because you agree with them and nothing more. It's valid to discuss how readers interpret material from the media, and I have been discussing the media, as well, except that has to be put aside to create the straw man.
They want their interpretation of their books to be correct and don't like being called on it when they're wrong, like conflating monsters like Apocalypse as if he were a sex god rather than a monster. I'm not incorrect in this, and the projection involved with fanon has been noticeable. It's fine to like and make fanfic, but the blurring the lines between fanon and canon here has been going on for a long while.Most folks are talking about what is actually going on in the books, and don't have much use for an entirely separate discussion that revolves around a single person's incorrect version of what is happening in the very same books.
I don't need to comment on what's going on happen next when I have all I need from what we have. The contradictory narrative between Krakoa being a luxurious tourist resort to all races and closed off entirely for "security reasons" but no comment on this in your posts, among other things. Ignorance truly is bliss. It's been enlightening seeing the hypocrisy that mutants are allowed which "flat scans," which would be everyone in this forum, be condemned. Allying with HYDRA, Norman Osborn, Apocalypse, Magneto, Exodus, cartels - that's when the only grey is celebrated.Never mind having that same incorrect version involve said person incorrectly explaining what is going on in books that are not even on the stands yet.
To put it simply, all of this is just wrong.
You are trying to point to that folks don't want to be called on that they are wrong when your entire version of the whole thing hinges on everyone else accepting that your own view of what is really happening is actually what is going on.
No one should feel the need to take it seriously past that realization.
While folks can't really stop you from coming from that point of view, there is no reason that they should entertain it as if it is even remotely the most realistic version of what is going on in the books.
Never mind that every instance of "This Is Not What Is Actually In Any Of The Books..." is repeatedly meant with that folks are doing things to you.
- They are creating straw men...
- They are gaslighting...
and so on.
None of that is happening. Folks are simply trying to talk about what is actually happening in the books that have been released.
Magneto is a supremacist fool, all the mutants deserve is to live safely in peace on Earth, just like the sapiens deserve to live safely in peace on Earth, or like the inhumans, the atlanteans and any of the other sub-groups of Humanity.
They Don't deserve to inherit the Earth any more than any of those other sub-groups.
In fact, acting upon that kind of mentality would be cause for said other sub-groups to protect themselves from the supremacist warmongers.
"The means are as important as the end - we have to do this right or not at all.
Anything less negates every belief we've ever had, every sacrifice we've ever made."
"Power corrupts. Absolute power corrupts absolutely."
"No justice, no peace."
What a load of nonsense.
For starter, mutants and sapiens are humans, so it's nonsensical to speak of a "mutant race" as if it was separated from Humanity, it's factually a part of it.
Second of all, that whole speech of yours about breeding is making my skin crawl!! it feels like you are speaking of broodmares' instead of human beings here, even if in a fictional setting…
I'm gonna give you the benefit of the doubt and assume you didn't intend to push such a toxic narrative on us.
"The means are as important as the end - we have to do this right or not at all.
Anything less negates every belief we've ever had, every sacrifice we've ever made."
"Power corrupts. Absolute power corrupts absolutely."
"No justice, no peace."
Pretty sure by humans they mean baselines and nothing they said was wrong. It's always been the case.
Instead of letting humanity progress into what it was always going to become they decided to create robot smurfs that eventually get eaten by the Phalanx because naturally they become an evolutionary dead end. No better than if Ultron was in charge.
You could honestly call it self inflicted genocide.
The Krakoans are EEEvil!
THEY MUST BE STOPPED!
It's an argument for how we interpret the material, we all do that.
They don't do that simply because they have a narrative/fanon and don't want anyone to "rock the boat." Everyone must agree with the popular consensus or risk peer pressure to force them to getting back in line. Don't ask questions, and definitely don't question Krakoa when they make decisions they'd be angry at humans doing. They want to live in fantasy, not what the books are actually doing. Bringing up the facts in the books just makes people uncomfortable. It's not possible they might be wrong about something.While folks can't really stop you from coming from that point of view, there is no reason that they should entertain it as if it is even remotely the most realistic version of what is going on in the books.
When they do that they deserve to be called out. Stop normalising those tactics.Never mind that every instance of "This Is Not What Is Actually In Any Of The Books..." is repeatedly meant with that folks are doing things to you.
- They are creating straw men...
- They are gaslighting...
and so on.
They aren't. What happens in the comics changes as a priority as long as what they think fits their narrative. Facts don't enter into it. For instance, Apocalypse has betrayed the X-men in Excalibur and despite this there are narratives that he's a sex god and that's when isn't ignored entirely. They may as well be talking about Beak in discussions when mutants are bought up when they do monstrous acts. I'd be more forgiving if this was just being oblivious but it's not that, they know the history of these characters and defend them like they're saints. This is why they get comments that they're not X-men fans but X-villain fans.None of that is happening. Folks are simply trying to talk about what is actually happening in the books that have been released.
Edit: Being fans of super-villains is fine, of course, but I don't know what the word is for people who agree with the beliefs of super-villains. That's the real problem. When they fought the X-men they sided against the X-men.
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