With Allegations and Revelations of Warren Ellis and Scott Lobdell, Question.

[Rzerox21xx]

I'm sorry to bring out a touchy subject with this and how Ellis and Especially Lobdell who written so much of 90s X-men, what should be done with his work. I just got done separated Ellis Excalibur but man i have longbox filled with Lodbell work and his hardcover and omnibuses. Atleast i still have Fabian's work. its very conflicting I know i should separate the work from the author but man, Lobdell athough his writing is has been hit and miss and I did enjoy majority of his x-men especially the issues with Joe Mad art which helped alot. I dont know. what should we do with it. and will future x-writers used their created character and such. I know Ellis Wisdom is even more problematic due to his relationship with Kitty and fans here say it should be time to retired the character. Well its very conflicting, I figure it would be a subject of discussion with fellow X-fans.

[Will Evans]

What exactly are the allegations with them? Did they abuse their power or position?
Did they force themselves on someone?

Seriously asking.

[xpyred]

Am i understanding correctly... are you removing the work of these writers from your boxes? If so, what exactly will that do? Meaning you already spent the money on the books and the writers already receive payment for the services. What do you gain from this and what do they lose from this?

[JB]

Am i understanding correctly... are you removing the work of these writers from your boxes? If so, what exactly will that do? Meaning you already spent the money on the books and the writers already receive payment for the services. What do you gain from this and what do they lose from this?

Very solid questions. It's ultimately up to the collector to decide what those works mean to them.

[Rzerox21xx]

What exactly are the allegations with them? Did they abuse their power or position?
Did they force themselves on someone?

Seriously asking.

https://www.cbr.com/scott-lobdell-ne...ampaign=CBR-TW

warren ellis was grooming girls breaking into the comic industry for decades now. ,

i mean i spent the money and they are in longboxes, and i have the omnibuses and hardcovers, just wondering i mean I love Joe Mad artwork. and lobdell issues compare to Fabian's or Claremont's were hit and miss. just wondering. i mean a few days ago i took all of Ellis x-men work and was gonna give it away to my local shop, athough other x-fans encouraged me on his astonishing run due to being not that good and Forge's character assassination.

[Will Evans]

Someone needs to let all these comic creators know they aren’t rock stars and fan girls aren’t their groupies.

That said. There’s nothing wrong with older men hitting on younger women (as long as they’re legally adults too). But using their work position or power to do it, is all sorts of wrong.

[Jackraow21]

What does “being groomed” mean? That he tried to use his position to hit on them? If so, how so? Was he their direct boss or just a powerful figure in the industry? Did he retaliate in any way when they rejected him? Did he physically assault them? Verbally?

There are degrees to this ****, and those degrees are important. Or at least they should be. They certainly are in a courtroom, if not in the court of public opinion. I’m honestly asking because I don’t know the extent of what he did, and the article linked to above makes it sounds like he hit on a couple of female creators and was promptly rebuffed by them. Did he hurt their careers somehow?

EDIT — I missed the sexual harassment complaint at the bottom of the article. Clearly understand what that is. But not what “being groomed” is. I’m assuming it means he’s trying to take a female creator under his wing to get them in bed?

[Will Evans]

What does “being groomed” mean? That he tried to use his position to hit on them? If so, how so? Was he their direct boss or just a powerful figure in the industry? Did he retaliate in any way when they rejected him? Did he physically assault them? Verbally?

There are degrees to this ****, and those degrees are important. Or at least they should be. They certainly are in a courtroom, if not in the court of public opinion. I’m honestly asking because I don’t know the extent of what he did, and the article linked to above makes it sounds like he hit on a couple of female creators and was promptly rebuffed by them. Did he hurt their careers somehow?

EDIT — I missed the sexual harassment complaint at the bottom of the article. Clearly understand what that is. But not what “being groomed” is. I’m assuming it means he’s trying to take a female creator under his wing to get them in bed?

Unless he was over them in a position of authority.

I don’t see the problem hitting on someone , being rejected by said person, and then that’s the end of story.

[WeaponX]

What does “being groomed” mean? That he tried to use his position to hit on them? If so, how so? Was he their direct boss or just a powerful figure in the industry? Did he retaliate in any way when they rejected him? Did he physically assault them? Verbally?

There are degrees to this ****, and those degrees are important. Or at least they should be. They certainly are in a courtroom, if not in the court of public opinion. I’m honestly asking because I don’t know the extent of what he did, and the article linked to above makes it sounds like he hit on a couple of female creators and was promptly rebuffed by them. Did he hurt their careers somehow?

EDIT — I missed the sexual harassment complaint at the bottom of the article. Clearly understand what that is. But not what “being groomed” is. I’m assuming it means he’s trying to take a female creator under his wing to get them in bed?

With Ellis some of the girls were under age at the time so just hitting on them really isn’t a defense.

[spirit2011]

30 years old hitting on 16-18 years old is creepy AF don't do that.

I think it is all personal, some people are good to separate work from the artist/writer. I don't think continue buying the work is ethical at all, but continue to own seems ok.
It can be very liberating getting rid of the work from a abuser.

[BroHomo]

I'll still enjoy their past work

Unless he was over them in a position of authority.


I don’t see the problem hitting on someone , being rejected by said person, and then that’s the end of story.

Where it gets eFFed up is the implication is that if they say no it'll be detrimental to their careers

[JB]

I'm sorry to bring out a touchy subject with this and how Ellis and Especially Lobdell who written so much of 90s X-men, what should be done with his work. I just got done separated Ellis Excalibur but man i have longbox filled with Lodbell work and his hardcover and omnibuses. Atleast i still have Fabian's work. its very conflicting I know i should separate the work from the author but man, Lobdell athough his writing is has been hit and miss and I did enjoy majority of his x-men especially the issues with Joe Mad art which helped alot. I dont know. what should we do with it. and will future x-writers used their created character and such. I know Ellis Wisdom is even more problematic due to his relationship with Kitty and fans here say it should be time to retired the character. Well its very conflicting, I figure it would be a subject of discussion with fellow X-fans.

In my opinion from reading your words, it seems to me that you're more conflicted about what you're *supposed* to do. Otherwise you would have gotten rid of them already. But if you're on the fence, I say keep them until you aren't.

[Rzerox21xx]

In my opinion from reading your words, it seems to me that you're more conflicted about what you're *supposed* to do. Otherwise you would have gotten rid of them already. But if you're on the fence, I say keep them until you aren't.

pretty true, i got rid of warren ellis excalibur since it only a 2 half year run compare to nearly decade of lobdell x-men, not mention lobdell stories are hit miss and to be honest, im more attached to the team look and Joe Mad's artwork, and yes I love the x-men franchise more than Lobdell written issues. Fabian's X-force and adjectliveless x-men run(which also for the most part, connected to lobdell uncanny before Fabian leaving late 95), the 90s video games(especially by Capcom) and the animated series of course.

[JB]

pretty true, i got rid of warren ellis excalibur since it only a 2 half year run compare to nearly decade of lobdell x-men, not mention lobdell stories are hit miss and to be honest, im more attached to the team look and Joe Mad's artwork, and yes I love the x-men franchise more than Lobdell written issues. Fabian's X-force and adjectliveless x-men run(which also for the most part, connected to lobdell uncanny before Fabian leaving late 95), the 90s video games(especially by Capcom) and the animated series of course.

So yeah, hang onto them unless you get to a point where you feel like letting them go like you did the Ellis work. That seemed like an easy decision for you so until you feel the same for the other work, I'd say keep them.