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    Default Scott Lobdell allegations

    With him announcing he'd be departing RHATO with issue #50 new allegations have surfaced.

    Artist Tess Fowler:



    https://twitter.com/TessFowler/statu...87951549411328

    Writer Alex De Campi had a few tweets but the below stood out to me:



    https://twitter.com/alexdecampi/stat...91285043851264

    Writer Sina Grace:



    https://twitter.com/SinaGrace/status...16375420678146

    Not that surprising given what happened in 2013 where he harassed a fellow creator during a pane

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hypo View Post
    With him announcing he'd be departing RHATO with issue #50 new allegations have surfaced.

    Artist Tess Fowler:



    https://twitter.com/TessFowler/statu...87951549411328

    Writer Alex De Campi had a few tweets but the below stood out to me:



    https://twitter.com/alexdecampi/stat...91285043851264

    Writer Sina Grace:



    https://twitter.com/SinaGrace/status...16375420678146

    Not that surprising given what happened in 2013 where he harassed a fellow creator during a pane
    damn thats unfortunate wonder whats going to happen to Red Hood character now?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jman27 View Post
    damn thats unfortunate wonder whats going to happen to Red Hood character now?
    He's going to be written by other writer.

    I wasn't going to post here, because this is serious stuff that the right people who know what they're doing are going to look at and work with, most probably (this means: I like to not throw opinions on serious stuff I have not enough info about). But I don't get what Lobdell being accused of this stuff has to do with Jason as a character. It's not even created by him, and there are other writers who would LOVE to write stories for Jason. And people know that.

    Edit: well, whatever. I guess I have to be afraid that this is a bad thing for Jason to some degree. I don't know.
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    while I absolutely love his Red Hood work, and I will miss the series under his lead, I don't love it enough to excuse his behavior or miss him when he's gone. I can separate his art and artist, which is why Red Hood and Outlaws is on my list of books in my chest of "Booty".
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jman27 View Post
    damn thats unfortunate wonder whats going to happen to Red Hood character now?
    Jason will be fine - that's almost the sad thing with the whole event : Lobdell did such a fine job with this character - especially since the start of Rebirth that I'm afraid of seeing him leave the book in spite of those accusations - which are extremely severe and if it's true this behavior is undefensible and unacceptable.

    But, really, Red Hood will be fine. Lobdell defined his corner well enough that sooner or later, new writers will return to it, if only because fans will be demanding it if the new direction doesn't satisfy them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zaresh View Post
    He's going to be written by other writer.

    I wasn't going to post here, because this is serious stuff that the right people who know what they're doing are going to look at and work with, most probably (this means: I like to not throw opinions on serious stuff I have not enough info about). But I don't get what Lobdell being accused of this stuff has to do with Jason as a character. It's not even created by him, and there are other writers who would LOVE to write stories for Jason. And people know that.

    Edit: well, whatever. I guess I have to be afraid that this is a bad thing for Jason to some degree. I don't know.
    I think the fear is that this will become a John Stewart/Gerard Jones where we have a writer who genuinely wrote a interesting and/or compelling run for the character that ends up swept under the rug due to the terrible actions and allegations associated with the name. Although Jason has a lot more going for him (good or ill implications of what they are aside) than John did with Jones; so I'm not too worried on that front.
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    We knew this, DC knew this, and their stance is clear when it comes to Lobdell. It still makes me chuckle the we’re gonna partner him up with Esquivel till his allegations came out.

    The sad thing is that everyone knew this already and still let him continue on Red Hood for almost a decade.
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    Quote Originally Posted by lemonpeace View Post
    I think the fear is that this will become a John Stewart/Gerard Jones where we have a writer who genuinely wrote a interesting and/or compelling run for the character that ends up swept under the rug due to the terrible actions and allegations associated with the name. Although Jason has a lot more going for him (good or ill implications of what they aside) than John did with Jones; so I'm not too worried on that front.
    Yeah. That's why I edited my message on a second thought. But still, as you pointed out, even when some people can't separate work from person, Jason had plenty of others writing him. Even under the same kind of characterisation Lobdell worked for years, giving him a solid shape. Even before Lobdell. Take it Countdown for example. I know people disliked that book, not without reason; but Jason there felt alright.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Godlike13 View Post
    We knew this, DC knew this, and their stance is clear when it comes to Lobdell. It still makes me chuckle the we’re gonna partner him up with Esquivel till his allegations came out.
    Yeah, I felt like these allegations came out around the time people were reporting on Berganza, but it feels like DC can't avoid it this time.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Korath View Post
    Jason will be fine - that's almost the sad thing with the whole event : Lobdell did such a fine job with this character - especially since the start of Rebirth that I'm afraid of seeing him leave the book in spite of those accusations - which are extremely severe and if it's true this behavior is undefensible and unacceptable.

    But, really, Red Hood will be fine. Lobdell defined his corner well enough that sooner or later, new writers will return to it, if only because fans will be demanding it if the new direction doesn't satisfy them.
    He already left the book. #50 is his last one.
    Also, accusations of him and his behavior are not something new, people knew about this for years.
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    Damn, he did to Tim, Con, Bart, and Cassie the same thing he's been doing to these ladies!
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    Quote Originally Posted by SixSpeedSamurai View Post
    Damn, he did to Tim, Con, Bart, and Cassie the same thing he's been doing to these ladies!
    Oh, and don't forget this was the guy who was gonna turn Ric into the next Oracle.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SixSpeedSamurai View Post
    Damn, he did to Tim, Con, Bart, and Cassie the same thing he's been doing to these ladies!
    ...That’s in poor taste.

    I *will* say that I find these more of an indictment of DC editorial than anything else - it’s yet more evidence that being willing to immediately follow editorial decrees was valued too highly as an asset a writer has under DC.

    The number of books and characters he was given jurisdiction over while other (Sometimes better) artists were leaving is sub-optimal... but being retained when he’s a liability towards female staff makes it bad, to some extent.

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    Lobdell isn't Brubaker/Rucka/Bendis/Lemire/Simone level. Anyone making DC less mediocre by leaving... don't let the door hit you on the way out. Especially after preying on your co-workers

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