Hulk vs. Doomsday

[Superfan90]

The Superman that failed to hurt Doomsday was specifically post crisis Superman. New 52 Superman had died at this point and post crisis had come and replaced him. Sometime later, both versions merged to form "Rebirth" Superman

Moreover this was a post crisis Superman operating at less than full power because of being in a different universe

https://m.imgur.com/lJ3KuP4

Actually Superman was drawing more energy from sun than new 52 Superman as revealed by Swamp Thing in Superman annual 1.

[Superfan90]

Earthquake thing

https://i.postimg.cc/NfJrNHNv/image.jpg
https://i.postimg.cc/VkJ02kTr/image.jpg

Later on, they kinda just forgot that he was supposed to be weaker although no one in the comics explicitly denied or contradicted it (and there were other instances of indirectly noting this). Jurgens who wrote the DD stuff was just writing him as he always wrote him- meh class 100, meh story, meh personality......

Actually it was explained. Superman was weakened because of Vandal Savage.

https://mobile.twitter.com/thedanjur...79302646177792

Pre rebirth Superman was stronger than new 52 Superman due to absorbing more energy from sun.

[The Dork Knight]

Actually Superman was drawing more energy from sun than new 52 Superman as revealed by Swamp Thing in Superman annual 1.

Only after the death of new 52 Superman
https://i.postimg.cc/rmn6VNxL/image.jpg

And drawing more energy=/= having more power. it is strongly suggested that the problem was due to a mismatch of vibrational frequencies, maybe Superman drew more because he was from another universe

In any case it doesnt contradict the actual feats and explanation.

[The Dork Knight]

Actually it was explained. Superman was weakened because of Vandal Savage.

https://mobile.twitter.com/thedanjur...79302646177792

Pre rebirth Superman was stronger than new 52 Superman due to absorbing more energy from sun.

No that is an assumption you made directly contradicted by the very scan you posted which says the amount of energy drawn is affected by the vibrational dissonance rather than anything else

[Superfan90]

Current Hulk still has the suoer ultimate fast regen, no? I temember from another thread it was agreed WarThor and Unworthy wouldn't be able to put him down even with a blitz.

Actually Doomsday has better regen as hard as it is to believe. Tim Drake exploded Doomsday using Kryptonite, Doomsday reconstituted within a page.

[The Dork Knight]

No that is an assumption you made directly contradicted by the very scan you posted which says the amount of energy drawn is affected by the vibrational dissonance rather than anything else

To reiterate
https://i.postimg.cc/Fz0H76ZL/image.jpg
"I've sensed a vibrational aberration....it relates to the way you draw energy from the sun...that is different from the previous Superman"

[Superfan90]

Only after the death of new 52 Superman
https://i.postimg.cc/rmn6VNxL/image.jpg

And drawing more energy=/= having more power. it is strongly suggested that the problem was due to a mismatch of vibrational frequencies, maybe Superman drew more because he was from another universe

In any case it doesnt contradict the actual feats and explanation.

Actually it does mean more powerful. That's how Wraith was stated to be more powerful than new 52 Superman.



And Superman fought doomsday after death of new 52 Superman. Not to mention that Jurgens specifically stated that post Crisis Superman was as powerful as new 52 Superman.

[The Dork Knight]

Actually it was explained. Superman was weakened because of Vandal Savage.

https://mobile.twitter.com/thedanjur...79302646177792

Well...idk how much a statement made outside a comic counts but if it does I guess we simply revert to pointing out that featwise Superman wasnt written particularly well pre merger

[The Dork Knight]

Actually it does mean more powerful. That's how Wraith was stated to be more powerful than new 52 Superman.

The Wraith....Superman beat??

And Superman fought doomsday after death of new 52 Superman. Not to mention that Jurgens specifically stated that post Crisis Superman was as powerful as new 52 Superman.

That's...literally written by his wife, in story

[Superfan90]

The Wraith....Superman beat??


That's...literally written by his wife, in story

Superman beat wraith by his skills and taking away his extra powers. Even after that Wraith produced more power than new 52 Superman against some alien ships.

No, that was Mxy who was hiding as Clark Kent.

[Superfan90]

Well...idk how much a statement made outside a comic counts but if it does I guess we simply revert to pointing out that featwise Superman wasnt written particularly well pre merger

That's a good point but honestly new 52 Superman wasn't written that strong except from Scott Lobdell and Greg Pak. Even in the opening arc of Justice League where Superman struggled in the core of the earth it was noted that he was as strong as previous Superman and then he stalemated a being who was channeling entire GL CPB, speed force, all gods of Olympus (and who was moving entire solar system to the end of time).

So meh, it depends on what you take into consideration.

[The Dork Knight]

Superman beat wraith by his skills and taking away his extra powers. Even after that Wraith produced more power than new 52 Superman against some alien ships.

No that was Superman being affected by red sun radiation and crap

As Superman showed, in a direct 1v1 fight, Wraith for all the extra solar energy was knocked out cold . Which makes arguments like "drew more solar energy"= greater power, kinda moot

No, that was Mxy who was hiding as Clark Kent.

The Mxy that was waiting on Clark to rescue him and would be biased?

And besides that's a statement. People make statements all the time . The idea of post crisis Superman = New 52 in strength isnt terribly borne out by feats

[Superfan90]

No that was Superman being affected by red sun radiation and crap

As Superman showed, in a direct 1v1 fight, Wraith for all the extra solar energy was knocked out cold . Which makes arguments like "drew more solar energy"= greater power, kinda moot

Not really, Wraith was hit by the same attacks and did much better than Superman. It was drilled from start that Wraith was stronger than Superman.

Heck, even in the very same issue Superman beat him, it was stated that Wraith was stronger than him by Superman himself.

The Mxy that was waiting on Clark to rescue him and would be biased?

Mxy had made himself forget his past and genuinely believed he was Clark Kent at that time. There was no reason for him to be biased.

[The Dork Knight]

Not really, Wraith was hit by the same attacks and did much better than Superman. It was drilled from start that Wraith was stronger than Superman.

Heck, even in the very same issue Superman beat him, it was stated that Wraith was stronger than him by Superman himself.

You are just....reemphasizing how statements dont mean much compared to actual feats

Mxy had made himself forget his past and genuinely believed he was Clark Kent at that time. There was no reason for him to be biased.

Again, its literally just a statement which isnt borne out by feats

[Superfan90]

You are just....reemphasizing how statements dont mean much compared to actual feats


Again, its literally just a statement which isnt borne out by feats

Its not just statements though. Wraith straight up overpowered new 52 Superman in a strength contest.





Superman being stronger than Wraith because he beat him is illogical under the context.