What do you guys think would happen if a villain superman portrayal got popular?

[manwhohaseverything]

What if a villain superman portrayal got popular? I mean, it's villains are hugely appreciated. Would that prompt a face turn like harley or jason(anti hero turn) ? Or could it become a hugely popular villain character like joker, lex or darkseid? What would you prefer happen.

[Vordan]

Already is. Of the three major outside medium Supermen, Cavill, Hoechlin, and Injustice, 1 is evil (Injustice) and 1 was going to be evil (Cavill). Injustice is popular while Cavill is not so I don’t know what the long term effects will be. Hopefully the Snyder Cut will flop like Snyder’s movies tend to do and that will be the end of that. If not I guess they’ll let Snyder make his “arc” on HBO Max.

As for the long term impact of all these evil Supermen? Lois has become a liability for the character. Her repeated fridging as a cheap way to make him evil has made me ever more sour towards the entire Clois relationship, and makes me more and more open to the idea of other relationships.

[Agent Z]

People still don't know the difference between evil by free will and evil by brainwashing which has happened to virtually every superhero. I won't even get into the pettiness of wanting a movie to flop for your own preferences.

As for what will happen, the same thing with every story about an evil Superman: nothing. We've had evil Superman stories for decades. The majority of the character's history still has him as a hero.

[SiegePerilous02]

People still don't know the difference between evil by free will and evil by brainwashing which has happened to virtually every superhero. I won't even get into the pettiness of wanting a movie to flop for your own preferences.

As for what will happen, the same thing with every story about an evil Superman: nothing. We've had evil Superman stories for decades. The majority of the character's history still has him as a hero.

It would be a little better than a straight up Injustice take, but it's still cut from the same cloth and involves yet another fridging of Lois to get it to happen.

Another movie of Cavill being mopey or scowling at the camera without much character development to get attached to this Superman is a pretty lousy story. Let the movie come out and sink or swim on its own merits, but I can't imagine this cut was going to redeem this specific Superman overall for the general audience. Two strikes already, at least Hawkeye was only mind controlled in his first major appearance and got more to do later, and it helps that he's a more minor character in comparison to begin with.

[superduperman]

I mean, that's kind of already happened with Injustice.

[Ra-El]

The reason most people like evil Superman is because it gives a reason to Batman kick his ass. That's the truth. But i going to say this, the next time DC decides to do an Evil Superman, the least they can do is doing a truly evil one, not a "they killed my woman and now I'm crazy", not a "I can't handle the Joker" and definetely not a brainwashed one. Give me a Evil Superman on the mold of the Lords of Justice, a Superman that by his own decisions and actions turns Evil.

But mostly, just don't do Evil Superman, Superman can work on his own, the character work for decades and I believe he will again.

[Agent Z]

It would be a little better than a straight up Injustice take, but it's still cut from the same cloth and involves yet another fridging of Lois to get it to happen.

Another movie of Cavill being mopey or scowling at the camera without much character development to get attached to this Superman is a pretty lousy story. Let the movie come out and sink or swim on its own merits, but I can't imagine this cut was going to redeem this specific Superman overall for the general audience. Two strikes already, at least Hawkeye was only mind controlled in his first major appearance and got more to do later, and it helps that he's a more minor character in comparison to begin with.

I'll just say I disagree and leave it at that.

[lotchj]

If a evil superman became popular, I can only speak for myself, I couldn't watch a movie or read a comic where superman is portrayal as becoming evil. No matter how popular it was!!

[manwhohaseverything]

Already is. Of the three major outside medium Supermen, Cavill, Hoechlin, and Injustice, 1 is evil (Injustice) and 1 was going to be evil (Cavill). Injustice is popular while Cavill is not so I don’t know what the long term effects will be. Hopefully the Snyder Cut will flop like Snyder’s movies tend to do and that will be the end of that. If not I guess they’ll let Snyder make his “arc” on HBO Max.

As for the long term impact of all these evil Supermen? Lois has become a liability for the character. Her repeated fridging as a cheap way to make him evil has made me ever more sour towards the entire Clois relationship, and makes me more and more open to the idea of other relationships.

In which world is cavill superman evil? Seriously, dude you got issues with the whole portrayal that just doesn't seem to be from the portrayal itself.Injustice man is popular as a villain ? I doubt it.

People still don't know the difference between evil by free will and evil by brainwashing which has happened to virtually every superhero. I won't even get into the pettiness of wanting a movie to flop for your own preferences.

As for what will happen, the same thing with every story about an evil Superman: nothing. We've had evil Superman stories for decades. The majority of the character's history still has him as a hero.

Riiigth, a corporate entity is gonna sit there do nothing with a character that can make them money. Popularity can be used to pull in cash.

[Vordan]

People still don't know the difference between evil by free will and evil by brainwashing which has happened to virtually every superhero. I won't even get into the pettiness of wanting a movie to flop for your own preferences.

As for what will happen, the same thing with every story about an evil Superman: nothing. We've had evil Superman stories for decades. The majority of the character's history still has him as a hero.

If I don’t like a take I’m under no obligation to wish it success. Sorry you can’t grasp that concept. Given Snyder’s ability to fall upwards as a white straight male in Hollywood, I think he’ll be ok.

In which world is cavill superman evil? Seriously, dude you got issues with the whole portrayal that just doesn't seem to be from the portrayal itself.Injustice man is popular as a villain ? I doubt it.


Riiigth, a corporate entity is gonna sit there do nothing with a character that can make them money. Popularity can be used to pull in cash.

I said he “was going to be evil”, meaning he wasn’t evil yet, important distinction there bud. Cavill was meant to be the final boss for JL along with Darkseid.

[Netherman14]

If I don’t like a take I’m under no obligation to wish it success. Sorry you can’t grasp that concept. Given Snyder’s ability to fall upwards as a white straight male in Hollywood, I think he’ll be ok.

I said he “was going to be evil”, meaning he wasn’t evil yet, important distinction there bud. Cavill was meant to be the final boss for JL along with Darkseid.

I don't like a lot of the MCU movies, and you don't see me wishing failure upon those films.

[DochaDocha]

I've wished failure upon a handful of major Hollywood blockbuster films, and I feel no shame for feeling that way (okay, maybe some). Usually, it's been because I thought a movie sent some kind of terrible message, such as how The Last Airbender is blatantly racist, IMO, and seeing it succeed would send a terrible message to Hollywood. I've also rooted against a handful of movies also for being creatively lazy. Hollywood has a bad habit of copying whatever's trendy, so if poor ideas (IMO, of course) tank, I hope it sends a message to come up with better movie ideas.

I don't think we should ever feel compelled to root for all movies to be super successful. I'm sure nobody here is actually making that claim, but I'm just being clear about the opposite end of the spectrum. But usually, the middle-class workers who work on the films don't get extra money if the movie becomes a massive blockbuster, so it's not like hoping a business fails and all these people will be unemployed as a result. How many people's ability to put food on the table and pay basic rent has ever really been at stake if a movie made $200 million worldwide instead of $1 billion? Usually, the implication ends up being one already well-to-do guy will get a smaller paycheck, or a wealthy financier's investment/gamble won't pay off.

I don't think Hollywood is a zero-sum game, but in many cases, the $13 you didn't spend on one film you end up spending on some other form of entertainment. One studio's loss is another entertainer provider's gain.

This probably sounds really petty, and like a load of rationalizing, but I just don't feel a ton of sympathy for studios when their movies tank. Maybe I feel bad for actors, directors, screenwriters, etc., but not the same as I do for small business owners. At least artists who work on these blockbuster superhero movies get paid up front.

[Agent Z]

In which world is cavill superman evil? Seriously, dude you got issues with the whole portrayal that just doesn't seem to be from the portrayal itself.Injustice man is popular as a villain ? I doubt it.


Riiigth, a corporate entity is gonna sit there do nothing with a character that can make them money. Popularity can be used to pull in cash.

The only evil Superman that has pulled in cash is the Injustice version and even that has other factors attached to it. Evil Superman isn't really that big a draw.

If I don’t like a take I’m under no obligation to wish it success. Sorry you can’t grasp that concept. Given Snyder’s ability to fall upwards as a white straight male in Hollywood, I think he’ll be ok.

There's plenty of things I don't like without wishing failure upon them. That's just being petty and entitled.

I said he “was going to be evil”, meaning he wasn’t evil yet, important distinction there bud. Cavill was meant to be the final boss for JL along with Darkseid.

This is like calling Hawkeye the final boss of the Avengers because he spends the majority of the movie brainwashed by Darkseid.

And again, there is a big difference between being evil by choice and being brainwashed into it, the latter of which is more common with superheroes so I don't see why people complain about this happening with Superman anyway.

[manwhohaseverything]

The only evil Superman that has pulled in cash is the Injustice version and even that has other factors attached to it. Evil Superman isn't really that big a draw.
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That's the scenario. Ain't it? What if any of these evil Superman become a draw. The way i see it. The company is gonna keep making these evil Supermen. It stands to reason that maybe one of them might get popular.

I said he “was going to be evil”, meaning he wasn’t evil yet, important distinction there bud. Cavill was meant to be the final boss for JL along with Darkseid.

I have said this before, untill i actually see the movie i can't make that call. Brainwashing nonsense is a standard troupe that happens to superman. Even, that hitman story had it.

[Will Evans]

For second when you said evil Superman, I thought you meant Bizarro or Ultraman.