Rank in strength

[Superfan90]

If Superman (Reborn and after) is 100 in strength, rank the below in strength :

Classic Thor
Gladiator
Silver Surfer
Thanos

[Nik Hasta]

Arbitrary numbers aren't really a healthy way of processing how to think about a character's performance and stats.

For example, Thanos is likely stronger than current Superman still but I don't think I'd want to hazard putting number to reflect that difference.

[The Dork Knight]

Yeah. Without putting a number on it, it should go something like

Surfer< Thor< Gladiator < Thanos

(In terms of physical strength only)

[Nik Hasta]

Yeah. Without putting a number on it, it should go something like

Surfer< Thor< Gladiator < Thanos

(In terms of physical strength only)

Where does current Supes fit in there?

I would assume above Thor but below Gladiator?

[The Dork Knight]

Where does current Supes fit in there?

I would assume above Thor but below Gladiator?

Surely above Gladiator, who had to punch a planet three times to bust it while Superman, at the dregs of his power exploded the planet behind him as a side effect of lift-off (for flight)

[The Arbiter]

Surfer is the hardest one for me to peg, but yes, Superman is likely in the number two spot right behind Thanos.

[Nik Hasta]

Surely above Gladiator, who had to punch a planet three times to bust it while Superman, at the dregs of his power exploded the planet behind him as a side effect of lift-off (for flight)

Dang, that's pretty up there. Good for him!

Didn't Gladiator have some "tear apart a star," feat in his back catalogue?

[Cthulhu_of_R'lyeh]

Yeah. Without putting a number on it, it should go something like

Surfer< Thor< Gladiator < Thanos

(In terms of physical strength only)

Silver Surfer casually slapping all **** out of Beta Ray Bill probably puts him above Thor, assuming that's considered consistent with his various other showings.

[The Arbiter]

Silver Surfer casually slapping all **** out of Beta Ray Bill probably puts him above Thor, assuming that's considered consistent with his various other showings.

As Captain Morgan pointed out last time, his hands were all glowy shiny zappy.

It's hard to peg how much is raw muscle and how much is cosmic. I mean, I'm cool saying it was a strength thing personally. Just reiterating a point that gave me pause in the past.

[The Dork Knight]

Silver Surfer casually slapping all **** out of Beta Ray Bill probably puts him above Thor, assuming that's considered consistent with his various other showings.

In classic Lee/Kirby FF, Surfer had to amp up his strength to beat Ben Grimn. Back then he was clearly below Thor for raw power.

Loki overpowered him, and he isnt someone know for his physical strength

Since, then Surfer doesnt really seem to have gotten the strength feats to suggest he is stronger than Thor although certainly more durable

[Shellhead]

In classic Lee/Kirby FF, Surfer had to amp up his strength to beat Ben Grimn. Back then he was clearly below Thor for raw power.

Loki overpowered him, and he isnt someone know for his physical strength

Since, then Surfer doesnt really seem to have gotten the strength feats to suggest he is stronger than Thor although certainly more durable

Good points. I have always assumed that Silver Surfer's baseline strength is somewhere between Ben Grimm and silver age Iron Man, and any strength feats beyond that range involved a boost from the power cosmic.

[Cronus]

Silver Surfer casually slapping all **** out of Beta Ray Bill probably puts him above Thor, assuming that's considered consistent with his various other showings.

I wouldnt see why not? This was a post Annihilation showing. I mean, the basis for a showing like that is there.

[Nik Hasta]

I wouldnt see why not? This was a post Annihilation showing. I mean, the basis for a showing like that is there.

I think it's consistent in terms of a couple of things:

- Surfer is fairly consistently portrayed as one of the strongest heralds
- Bill as been shown to be on the level of "able to compete with heralds but ultimately outclassed," [See his performance against Stardust in Stormbreaker - The Saga of Beta-Ray Bill]
- Surfer got a legit powerup in Annihilation and, I think, also in his more recent solo series? (Might be wrong on that but I recall him pulling some fairly ridiculous stuff in there)

Based on that Surfer being able to knock Bill around seems to track just fine.

How it relates to Thor, on the other hand, is a different question. I feel like Thor has been all over the place in the last five years or so. Between his having the Odinforce/Thorforce, losing the Odinforce/Thorforce, Mjolnir being broken and reforged with his soul, losing Mjolnir completely to Jane, doing reasonably well against Surfer in the whole... World Seed bit - he's had a tumultuous time in terms of presentation.

I would personally think that Surfer should be physically stronger than him, if not at base, he could certainly amp himself to be so.

[The Dork Knight]

I wouldnt see why not? This was a post Annihilation showing. I mean, the basis for a showing like that is there.

Because you might as well then claim the Hulk is the strongest there is, post-core breach because he beat up a lot of strong people

The Surfer has been around longer and more prominently than Deathstroke. If the Surfer's performances against other folks is all it takes to grant him super strength, then an argument can also be made for Deathstroke/Flash

The Surfer does not have feats like moving the Midgard serpent or shattering and shaking the surface of planets and moons as a side effect of fighting

Also if we are using performances against other people, Surfer was being physically matched by Thor just fine, post-Annihilation

[The Chou Lives]

If Superman (Reborn and after) is 100 in strength, rank the below in strength :

Classic Thor
Gladiator
Silver Surfer
Thanos

They are all class 100. Class 100 means what they can move but some are not equals as Gladiator, Surfer and Thanis really, can augment their strength.