the Outsiders and the Bat connection

[king81992]

I hope they're not making Harley Quinn that "mystery" fifth character.

Fifth character should have a connection to one of the original Outsiders, a few of them have underused relatives.

[MajorHoy]

Fifth character should have a connection to one of the original Outsiders, a few of them have underused relatives.

Aside from Black Lightning, which of the "original outsiders" have "underused relatives"?

[lemonpeace]

it's kinda funny; despite (involuntarily) being moved to the Batman forum, which i imagine should've skewed the poll a bit toward "Bat-team", the fact that "Independent team" has maintained a comfortably lead kinda shows that the mods probably shouldn't have moved this thread to the Batman forum in the first place.

[king81992]

Aside from Black Lightning, which of the "original outsiders" have "underused relatives"?

Geo Force has Terra.

[MajorHoy]

Geo Force has Terra.

Is she dead or alive again at this point?
It's so hard to keep track of these things . . .

[Restingvoice]

Is she dead or alive again at this point?
It's so hard to keep track of these things . . .

Don't know. She doesn't show up in Deathstroke's flashback of his team Defiance, and neither was anyone else except his family, but she also isn't in the New Teen Titans flashback.

[king81992]

Is she dead or alive again at this point?
It's so hard to keep track of these things . . .

Last time she appeared was Death Metal, so I assume she's stull alive.

[Restingvoice]

Last time she appeared was Death Metal, so I assume she's stull alive.

That's the Terra of team Defiance, who appeared alongside classic Rose Wilson who lost her eye, because at the time, Hypertime was being messed by Batman who Laughs resulting in all versions of characters to be canon at the same time.

After Metal ended, timeline was realigned and the events of Death Metal attack was reset. Rose now has both her eyes again, following the New 52/Rebirth version...

Hmm...

Williamson said he likes Priest's Deathstroke... and one of the things he did was make Terra survive because the Judas Contract has been replaced by Lazarus Contract, where Slade cancel his plan to use Terra to infiltrate the Titans on the condition that Dick Grayson will train Rose Wilson to be morally good

That's the other thing. Priest's Deathstroke loves his family and wants Rose to be different than him. The classic Rose lost her eye because she was brainwashed into wanting to be more like her father, including taking out her eye.

Another thing that supports the Lazarus instead of Judas is the origin of Nightwing. Judas and Deathstroke's attack on the Titans led to the creation of Nightwing, but Rebirth decided to go by the reason Dick created Nightwing was because he was fired as Robin.

So my conclusion is yeah, Terra's alive.

[MajorHoy]

NOTE: This thread was originally started back in July 2020.

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With 68 people having voted,

* Independent = 40 votes
* It's a bat-team = 28 votes

[MajorHoy]

With 70 people having voted,

* Independent = 42 votes
* It's a bat-team = 28 votes