you ally yourself with evil because the survival of a species is dependent on it and also you can take responsibility for them and keep them from doing more evil while also advancing global society through scientific development with the only political agenda being the hot take of "racism bad pls no kill us"
i mean they could have a foreign policy more like america's where they have some mutants drone strike foreign civilians, would that be better
I don't blind date I make the direct market vibrate
The interesting thing is that so far those villains have kept their word of leaving humanity alone which was the condition for them being allowed to live on Krakoa.
They are no into creating sentinels to persecute people thatīs Bolivar Traks thing.i mean they could have a foreign policy more like america's where they have some mutants drone strike foreign civilians, would that be better
"To the X-men then, who donīt die the old fashioned way and no matter how hard we try, none of us die forever" Uncanny X-Men #270, Jean and Ororo
Magneto: The master of magnetism Appreciation 2022
Polaris: The Mistress of Magnetism Appreciation 2022
House of M Appreciation 2022
tfw the state of the world forces ethical compromises in the formation of a functioning and secure state for your people but you still end up with the most ethical nation that offers universal benefits to the world at no actual cost
I don't blind date I make the direct market vibrate
Except they have be from mutants families or former mutants. If you're anything else, you're not welcome. Thats the problem.
I didn't say the humans were "good," but this doesn't change the circumstance of why Xavier left Magneto there. He was a warning, they're not shy about this message.Those humans would have been hostile toward him or any other mutant showcasing Krakoa to them, they were thinking on PANEL of ways Krakoa could use their gateways for war, they came armed and ready before they even knew Magneto would be their tour guide so yeah...stop.
To Apocalypse humanity existing is an insult. That's why he's ok committing genocide and is ok with killing them as a first resort. Magneto is a scholar inhuman/mutant relations compared to him, that's how psychotic he is.And it really isn't, Humanity reached a point where they were the majority and anything that threatened their little pride and way of thinking and life was deemed evil.
Apocalypse really isn't someone who does this, he looks out for himself first and foremost. Apocalypse murdering entire nations didn't normalise mutants, he was rightfully feared in multiple nations as gods because he'd kill them.Mutants, especially the ones that did not look at all human are/were at risk for imprisonment, experiments or worse, did Earth's mightiest heroes ever really step in to help the normalization of mutants? no, sweetheart...they didn't.
Xenophobia divides people, not brings them together. Krakoa is a nation, not a social club. Except Krakoa can be for mutants while also allowing other races to be there, tourism and immigration isn't a moral affront. Except it's not about entitlement, there's more to this than simply humans = bad, mutants = good. Krakoa won't let its own citizens vote for their leaders, of course they're not going to let foreigners have any rights.So why keep in-fighting and dividing themselves?
why not come together and create something for people shunned across the globe JUST for them?!
There's absolutely nothing wrong with that and like someone else stated in this thread, it is only humans ENTITLEMENT that wants to be on that island.
Feeling entitled to everything because of being used to gaining access to everything around them....well not this time.
Human privilege and entitlement holds no weight on Krakoa and it's going to rightfully stay that way.
Why are you erasing the other races in Marvel Earth from this conversation?
But this stance isn't a wash, the argument is that Apocalypse should be rewarded for murdering humans and he is now a politician doing things like that. He's abused his position to manipulate and abuse Excalibur with impunity.Politicians sat idly by and let the sentinel program diminish mutant numbers for years, I'd wager their crimes aren't any better.
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Yes, they do have to.
It's their nations policy...Krakoa is a holy land to the Mutants and that should not be questioned or judged by humans...who have their OWN countries and places to live and are universally accepted by their surroundings...
As I stated before the situation would have went the same way had Magneto and cuckoos not been there, they were smart about it because they knew how predicable the ambassadors would be.I didn't say the humans were "good," but this doesn't change the circumstance of why Xavier left Magneto there. He was a warning, they're not shy about this message.
For the most part, Apocalypse and the anti-mutant brigades have some of the same qualities and beliefs vice versa.To Apocalypse humanity existing is an insult. That's why he's ok committing genocide and is ok with killing them as a first resort. Magneto is a scholar inhuman/mutant relations compared to him, that's how psychotic he is.
Apocalypse really isn't someone who does this, he looks out for himself first and foremost. Apocalypse murdering entire nations didn't normalise mutants, he was rightfully feared in multiple nations as gods because he'd kill them.
Except those anti-mutant parties are not jailed and held accountable of their actions.
Until Apocalypse usurps Krakoa which a lot of people thinks he will...I'll hold off on writing him off as hopeless.
Krakoa IS a nation, it's OWN nations, their immigration policies are their own, their laws are their own.Xenophobia divides people, not brings them together. Krakoa is a nation,
They look at Krakoa as a holy-land and don't want to threaten that, the mutant experience is different from the human experience.
Humans have 99% of the Earth to live, Not being allowed on Krakoa isn't going to kill anyone or starve any human children.
It's one nations LAW and that is all.
Agreed, the state of things is not a perfect situation but itīs working and the X-men are actually doing something good for the world by keeping their villains at bay, keeping their super hero world savior missions as X-men and selling medicine that can cure bassically any sickness.
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"To the X-men then, who donīt die the old fashioned way and no matter how hard we try, none of us die forever" Uncanny X-Men #270, Jean and Ororo
Magneto: The master of magnetism Appreciation 2022
Polaris: The Mistress of Magnetism Appreciation 2022
House of M Appreciation 2022
THREAD: SHOULD MUTANTS HAVE MORE OF A PRESENCE OUTSIDE THE X-BOOKS?
Yes. It’s about time the mutants start to carry their own weight in-universe
Generally, one knows me before hating me -Quicksilver
They choose to, they don't "have" to do anything. Just because the Krkaoa governmentt have power don't make them right because they have power. Numerous countries do horrible acts under the color of authority, like oppressing mutants. The question is if it's ethical and it's not. There are no mutants from Marvel in this conversation, just two humans from ours. There's nothing divine in Krakoa, its not Asgard or Wakanda. It thrives on science.
Humanity could have only bought mutant supporters and got this reaction. It was intimidation.As I stated before the situation would have went the same way had Magneto and cuckoos not been there, they were smart about it because they knew how predicable the ambassadors would be.
Since when has Apocalypse been jailed for anything? His power is so immense and he's so slick he's impossible to contain. They do share the same qualities, except Apcoalypse committed genocide akin to the Sentinels as a whole against every type of life in Marvel, including mutants. We've seen when he's able to "win" then we get into dystopia Age of Apocalypse settings, and Krkaoa is giving him the tools do build another on its foundations. Mutant life is valued less in Krakoa than having the mutant gene.For the most part, Apocalypse and the anti-mutant brigades have some of the same qualities and beliefs vice versa.
Except those anti-mutant parties are not jailed and held accountable of their actions.
Please don't cherry pick, he's shown to be untrustworthy with what I told you. Don't erase the majority of his appearances as a super-villain.Until Apocalypse usurps Krakoa which a lot of people thinks he will...I'll hold off on writing him off as hopeless.
So are Ameica's and Europes, doesn't make any of their bad policies about discrimination or oppressing right. The thing with Krakoa is that the status quo is flipped, the mutants are the ones doing the oppressing now. Including to their own kind, if any mutant wants to elect new leaders to the Quiet Council they're out of luck.Krakoa IS a nation, it's OWN nations, their immigration policies are their own, their laws are their own.
They look at Krakoa as a holy-land and don't want to threaten that, the mutant experience is different from the human experience.
Humans have 99% of the Earth to live, Not being allowed on Krakoa isn't going to kill anyone or starve any human children.
It's one nations LAW and that is all.
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Which group of people are Krakoa oppressing right the f--k now? There were no native inhabitants of Krakoa who were displaced by the X-Men.
Again this is just shadow-kvetching. Kvetch at an imaginary projection of Krakoa rather than the one in the books (which so many here clearly don't read).
Krakoa is racist!
Krakoa is xenophobic
Krakoa is oppressive!
Meanwhile on Krakoa
Mutants are only trying to build a stable home and atmosphere for mutant children who have been abused at the hands of humans under human law.
AS another user stated...it's human entitlement to want to be on an island Mutants just moved to...for safety and sanctuary.
WE hear about this, but who has been a success? Why hasn't anyone did this sort of thing to the super-villain community? Instead we get this
and
Just two known incidents. How is this possible?
As well as the fact mutants in high authority in the government abusing their positions against other mutants isn't worth acknowledging. We're supposed to buy that in order for mutants to have a safe home in Krkao they have to be xenophobic to non-mutants, it's nonsense.
Krakoa has a lot of internal issues to work through.....but WHAT community or nation does not?
Name a perfect place and I'll concede.
Plus why are you pushing so hard for humans to around known x-men villains who are 'evil' and the like....please let me know.
The nonsense is humans wanting to immediately get up and move somewhere just cause when they have the whole planet to themselves.